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darkhall67 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1935	Re: Burqua ban start on Monday Reply #75 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 8:18pm Quote: I'm not allowed to wear an SS uniform. Or a KKK hood in PUBLIC. You sure about that? [quote] No. Not really. But I SHOULDN'T be able to..
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Reply #76 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 8:22pm

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If anyone attempts to make a law against you wearing whatever you damn well like in your own home i will be the first to paint a few signs and go on a protest march in support and solidarity with you.

So you think freedom does not extend to public spaces? What other presonal freedoms would you restrict to private property?

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The freedom to indoctrinate your own children with your own particular brand of religious insanity.

Outside of your personal fiefdom your children should be able to see and experience life without that particular nonsense to give them the choice to accept and follow , or to reject and evolve.

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Reply #77 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 8:22pm

darkhall67 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 8:18pm:

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I'm not allowed to wear an SS uniform.

Or a KKK hood in PUBLIC.

You sure about that?

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No. Not really.

But I SHOULDN'T be able to..

Yes you should. I remember as a child running round town in a KKK hood when my friends decided we whould celebrate halloween. At the time I thought it was a ghost costume. It is hanging black people from trees that should be outlawed, not putting a white hood on.

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The freedom to indoctrinate your own children with your own particular brand of religious insanity.

Yes that is another one, but it has nothing to do with the right to choose what clothes to wear.

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Reply #78 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 8:27pm

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One day almost all Muslim women in Afghanistan wore western style clothing, the next, under the new Taliban regime, they were FORCED to wear the Burqa. Maybe we could make a collection of such 'clothing choices'.

One day all Muslim women in France could choose what to wear, the next, under the new French regime, they were FORCED to oncover their face. And people did not even see the irony. [/quote]i
No.

One day they were FORCED to cover their faces because of the medieval , uncivilized and ridiculous beliefs of their husbands, brothers , uncles , imams etc etc etc

the next day they were allowed to be free.
Allowed to experience life without the burka.

Allowed to decide for themselves whether the ideas that they have been brainwashed in are appropriate or necessary.iVive le France

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Reply #79 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 8:47pm

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 8:22pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 8:18pm:

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I'm not allowed to wear an SS uniform.

Or a KKK hood in PUBLIC.

You sure about that?

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No. Not really.

But I SHOULDN'T be able to..

Yes you should. I remember as a child running round town in a KKK hood when my friends decided we whould celebrate halloween. At the time I thought it was a ghost costume. It is hanging black people from trees that should be outlawed, not putting a white hood on.

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The freedom to indoctrinate your own children with your own particular brand of religious insanity.

Yes that is another one, but it has nothing to do with the right to choose what clothes to wear.

Yeah but it does.

Children/women/everybody should be able to see / experience what life is like outside the walls that parents build around them in the name of the "one true god".

It's GIVING freedom , not taking it away.

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Reply #80 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 8:53pm

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 8:22pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 8:18pm:

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I'm not allowed to wear an SS uniform.

Or a KKK hood in PUBLIC.

You sure about that?

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No. Not really.

But I SHOULDN'T be able to..

Yes you should. I remember as a child running round town in a KKK hood when my friends decided we whould celebrate halloween. At the time I thought it was a ghost costume. It is hanging black people from trees that should be outlawed, not putting a white hood on.

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The freedom to indoctrinate your own children with your own particular brand of religious insanity.

Yes that is another one, but it has nothing to do with the right to choose what clothes to wear.

Symbols have power.

making inferior , destructive , stupid , uncivilized and insane symbols powerless and impotent can only be a GOOD thing.

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Reply #81 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 9:45pm

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the next day they were allowed to be free

So French women were not free before this? They were only free after the government took their rights away?

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Allowed to decide for themselves

Really? You honestly think they are allowed to decide for themselves now? No wonder people are having such trouble with the concept of freedom. The hypocrisy has turned your brain to mush.

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It's GIVING freedom , not taking it away.

Except of course when you actually take it away, right?

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Symbols have power.

Still not a good reason to deny people basic freedoms. If you want to protect someone's freedom, do something real, not something symbolic.

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darkhall67 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1935	Re: Burqua ban start on Monday Reply #82 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 9:52pm freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 9:45pm: [quote]the next day they were allowed to be free So French women were not free before this? They were only free after the government took their rights away?iThe conservative islamic women were CERTAINLY NOT free.
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Reply #83 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 10:01pm

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Allowed to decide for themselves

Really? You honestly think they are allowed to decide for themselves now? No wonder people are having such trouble with the concept of freedom. The hypocrisy has turned your brain to mush.

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They may not be allowed to decide for themselves in their restrictive fascistic households

BUT

they ARE allowed to be free when they leave their house. When they go shopping.

When that have a chat to their neighbours and shopkeepers.

Imagine. NOT wearing a burkha and STILL being able to have a human conversation with other people WITHOUT BEING OGLED AND RAPED!!!

MY GOD.

Could it be that everything their husband/uncle/son/nephew/imam has been telling them about the outside world is WRONG WRONG WRONG.

What an IMPACT that realisation must have on them.

And their sons and daughters.iVive le evolution.

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darkhall67 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1935	Re: Burqua ban start on Monday Reply #84 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 10:05pm . Quote: It's GIVING freedom , not taking it away. Except of course when you actually take it away, right? I dont have the freedom to keep my children and my wife chained and naked in a basement as I apply electrodes to their genitals. WHY ARE MT RIGHTS BEING TAKEN AWAY?????
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Reply #85 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 10:10pm

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Symbols have power.

Still not a good reason to deny people basic freedoms. If you want to protect someone's freedom, do something real, not something symbolic. [/quote]i

Ther'es nothing "realer" than extinguishing superstitious and cultural nonsense.

Ther'es nothing "realer" than freeing people from balls and chains.

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Reply #86 - Apr 14^th, 2011 at 8:34am

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 8:22pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 8:18pm:

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I'm not allowed to wear an SS uniform.

Or a KKK hood in PUBLIC.

You sure about that?

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No. Not really.

But I SHOULDN'T be able to..

Yes you should. I remember as a child running round town in a KKK hood when my friends decided we whould celebrate halloween. At the time I thought it was a ghost costume. It is hanging black people from trees that should be outlawed, not putting a white hood on.

You ever think what it felt like to be black and see a kid running around in a KKK hood? Or be Jewish and see little SS people? And yet you have no problem banning fine old anglo saxon words on the grounds that they might offend people. Words are symbolic too.

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Reply #87 - Apr 14^th, 2011 at 10:12am

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 9:45pm:

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the next day they were allowed to be free

So French women were not free before this? They were only free after the government took their rights away?

Where does it say that they have the right to go around the public space hiding their faces? There is no such right. So no such right could be taken away.

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Reply #88 - Apr 14^th, 2011 at 10:15am

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 9:45pm:

Really? You honestly think they are allowed to decide for themselves now? No wonder people are having such trouble with the concept of freedom. The hypocrisy has turned your brain to mush.

It is not up to these women to decide for themselves whether they go around in public with their faces covered. It is not a freedom of conscience issue.

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Reply #89 - Apr 14^th, 2011 at 10:15am

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One day almost all Muslim women in Afghanistan wore western style clothing, the next, under the new Taliban regime, they were FORCED to wear the Burqa. Maybe we could make a collection of such 'clothing choices'.

One day all Muslim women in France could choose what to wear, the next, under the new French regime, they were FORCED to oncover their face. And people did not even see the irony.i
No.

One day they were FORCED to cover their faces because of the medieval , uncivilized and ridiculous beliefs of their husbands, brothers , uncles , imams etc etc etc

the next day they were allowed to be free.
Allowed to experience life without the burka.

Allowed to decide for themselves whether the ideas that they have been brainwashed in are appropriate or necessary.

Vive le France

And if they decide that they ARE necessary?
Where has their freedom to choose to continue to wear it gone?

I am amzed that you don't see the problem with a government dictating what clothing we are allowed to wear!

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