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Reply #165 - May 2^nd, 2011 at 9:55pm

freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2011 at 1:41pm:

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But the point is, that according to ISLAMIC law, they do have a 'legal' right to murder [those who offend their religion].

OK. Thanks for finally getting to the point.

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And if moslems commonly, show that they have no respect our laws [and the 'rights' which those laws protect], then shouldn't we assume that moslems who live among us, will have no respect, FOR OUR RIGHTS ???

Sure. Just like you and Soren have no respect for them either. Like I said you must both be stopped.

You are talking through your arse again, FD. Not respecting certain Muslim customs and doctrines and advocating law reform directed at them is not a disrespect of existing laws.
Equating a strong non-violent antipathy towards certain islamic customs and doctrines with Muslim terrorism is just stupid and very dishonest on your part. But you are still putting it forward without a blink of an eye. You know that nobody is advocating violence or unlawful behaviour. Opposing deeply anti-freedom doctrines cannot be anti-freedom. Opposing oppression is not pro-oppression, except perhaps in your mind.

A majority of the French Parliament voted for a burqa ban. Other jursidictions with impeccable democratic credentials have also voted for various curtailment of Muslim rights. This is evidently a subject ripe for discussion and as a topic should not be forced underground under the stupid and toxic reflex that anything that curtails Muslim rights is anti-freedom. That stance is untenable for the simple reason that many Muslim doctrines and practices are anti-freedom. Being anti-fascist is not fascistic, or opposing oppression is not oppressive - except perhaps in your mind.i

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Re: the right to choose what to wear
Reply #166 - May 2^nd, 2011 at 10:01pm

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You are talking through your arse again, FD. Not respecting certain Muslim customs and doctrines and advocating law reform directed at them is not a disrespect of existing laws.

Though Yadda tried to make it about the law, that is not what this is really about, nor is it what I was referring to. This is about rights.

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Equating a strong non-violent antipathy towards certain islamic customs and doctrines with Muslim terrorism is just stupid and very dishonest on your part.

I did not equate them. I said they must both be stopped.

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Other jursidictions with impeccable democratic credentials

Do you even know what that means? Electing Hitler showed impeccable democratic credentials.

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and toxic reflex that anything that curtails Muslim rights is anti-freedom

I am not concerned for the rights of a religion, but for my own right to choose what to wear.

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That stance is untenable for the simple reason that many Muslim doctrines and practices are anti-freedom.

You make no sense Soren. It would be pretty spineless at best to insist we must throw away one set of rights to maintain another.

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Reply #167 - May 2^nd, 2011 at 10:17pm

The problem with Hitler wasn't that he was elected - rathr, that he could not be also voted out.

Your rights are curtailed in all sorts of ways. For example, you do not have the right to refuse entry into your shop or office to a niqabi.

You couldn't even put on a face-covering in such a situation at the sight of an approaching niqabi, if she saw you first because you'd be up before an anti discrimination magisrate before you could say 'my right to wear what I want'.

SHe has the right - you don't.

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Reply #168 - May 3^rd, 2011 at 12:21pm

freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2011 at 9:31pm:

Yadda, it is not that simple. If you actually had the balls to follow through on your logic, you would be far more dangerous than a typical Muslim. The danger always comes from those who can only see things in black and white rather than the reality we are faced with. You are basically an anti-Muslim version of the worst kind of Muslim. Pointing to the insidious threat posed by Islam does not mask the insidious threat of your own ideology. You think that to beat Islam we must become it at it's own game. You are wrong.

FD,

If everything that you say about me is true, maybe i should be prosecuted, and thrown into prison.

What would the charge be against me ???

Perhaps, inciting 'social disharmony', and / or, inciting hatred of an 'ethnic' group ???

Yep, that sounds appropriate.

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freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2011 at 9:31pm:

...The danger always comes from those who can only see things in black and white rather than the reality we are faced with.

FD,

Two images....

And a question.

Which of these two images more nearly represents, 'seeing things in black and white' ???

IMAGE #1 or IMAGE #2 ???

And which image more nearly represents, 'the reality we are faced with' ???

IMAGE #1 or IMAGE #2 ???

Perhaps the message which is conveyed in IMAGE #2 more nearly represents, 'the reality we are faced with' ???

Is that what you honestly believe FD ???

IMAGE #1

IMAGE #2

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FD,

Pretend [<--- something you are well experienced in] for a moment, that it is '1938'.

FD,

You, who claim to be the champion of our 'rights', are you an appeaser of fascism ???

Are you a, "...its peace in our time", kind of guy ???

IMAGE....

Or, are you someone who understands that our rights, and truth, need to be defended, sometimes with our blood ???

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freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2011 at 9:31pm:

Yadda, .....You think that to beat Islam we must become it at it's own game.

No FD.

No, no, no.

I think that to beat ISLAM, we need to tell the truth.

And, not only tell the truth, but also, have the courage to confront the truth.

And that, is my real 'crime'.

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Who's that at my door ??

Come in, Mr ASIO.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: the right to choose what to wear
Reply #169 - May 3^rd, 2011 at 4:56pm

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The problem with Hitler wasn't that he was elected - rathr, that he could not be also voted out.

Not electing him in the first place might have helped. After all, he had already written Mein Kampf.

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If everything that you say about me is true, maybe i should be prosecuted, and thrown into prison.

I don't think you have crossed that line yet. So far it is all talk, and even there you are holding back.

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Re: the right to choose what to wear
Reply #170 - May 3^rd, 2011 at 7:11pm

freediver wrote on May 3^rd, 2011 at 4:56pm:

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The problem with Hitler wasn't that he was elected - rathr, that he could not be also voted out.

Not electing him in the first place might have helped. After all, he had already written Mein Kampf.

Suddenly the 'rights' issue has slipped under your radar, FD. Your brilliantly creative and original move of introducing Hitler into the argument must have made you forget all about it. Here's a reminder:

Your rights are curtailed in all sorts of ways. For example, you do not have the right to refuse entry into your shop or office to a niqabi.

You couldn't even put on a face-covering in such a situation at the sight of an approaching niqabi, if she saw you first because you'd be up before an anti discrimination magisrate before you could say 'my right to wear what I want'.

The niqabi has the right - you don't.

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