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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: the right to choose what to wear Reply #90 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 11:22am eeeeeew.......I hope that I never have to live in Soren's world of control freaks.
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Foolosophy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1171 Australia Gender:	Re: the right to choose what to wear Reply #91 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 11:30am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 11:22am: eeeeeew.......I hope that I never have to live in Soren's world of control freaks. Soren was seen rolling his own with muso the other day
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Reply #92 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 1:12pm

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 11:06am:

Have you so little pride in yourself as a man that you would harass women and then complain of your own fear of other men sticking up for them?

When Jack Straw dared to state the obvious in 2006 by saying that the burka and the niqab were “visible statements of separation and of difference” before asking politely that women visiting his constituency surgery consider removing them, it provoked angry protests from Islamic associations and the British liberal- Left, always inclined, it seems, to defend the rights of liberty's enemies.

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If we can critically appraise and riducule Islam and all its stupid manifestations (and not just be restricted to the brazen lie that it is a religion of peace), we might be getting somewhere. But at present the criticim is allowed only one way. That is not freedom.

Tell us Soren, who uis preventing you from speaking your mind?

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Reply #93 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 1:19pm

freediver wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 2:19pm:

No Mavis. You seem a bit confused about what freedom is. Freedom can only be maintained by defending people's right to choose, even if you disagree with their choice. Anything else is hypocrisy, if you try to pretend you are also defending freedom.

"In the west, you gotta have face"

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Reply #94 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 1:37pm

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 8:54pm:

I've been thinking, if they ever try this crap in Australia, I will organise a protest where everyone wear's burqa's. Just burqas.

This is like insisting on black Africans' right to sell themselves into slavery in AUstralia, to be branded and then to go about in leg irons and a chain around their necks. You would be calling on others to also go about in chains and legirons in solidarity with those African who demans their inalienable freedom to sell themselves into slavery.

The burqa is an expression of womens' inferiority to Muslim males. Condoning the burqa is in essence a submission to the world view of bearded, grizzly Muslim men who have a Koran in one hand and their d!cks in the other.

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Reply #95 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 1:45pm

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This is like insisting on black Africans' right to sell themselves into slavery in AUstralia, to be branded and then to go about in leg irons and a chain around their necks. You would be calling on others to also go about in chains and legirons in solidarity with those African who demans their inalienable freedom to sell themselves into slavery.

No it isn't Soren. Again you get it all backwards. Inalienable rights means you can't sell them.

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I am standing up for the right to choose Soren, nothing more. Whatever fantasies of submission you attach to this are yours alone and nothing to do with reality.

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Reply #96 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 2:47pm

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 1:45pm:

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This is like insisting on black Africans' right to sell themselves into slavery in AUstralia, to be branded and then to go about in leg irons and a chain around their necks. You would be calling on others to also go about in chains and legirons in solidarity with those African who demans their inalienable freedom to sell themselves into slavery.

No it isn't Soren. Again you get it all backwards. Inalienable rights means you can't sell them.

They are sellingh themselves. You insist that they are free to do so. You insist on their inalienable freedom to make themselves unfree.

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Reply #97 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 3:28pm

Soren wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 1:37pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 8:54pm:

I've been thinking, if they ever try this crap in Australia, I will organise a protest where everyone wear's burqa's. Just burqas.

This is like insisting on black Africans' right to sell themselves into slavery in AUstralia, to be branded and then to go about in leg irons and a chain around their necks. You would be calling on others to also go about in chains and legirons in solidarity with those African who demans their inalienable freedom to sell themselves into slavery.

The burqa is an expression of womens' inferiority to Muslim males. Condoning the burqa is in essence a submission to the world view of bearded, grizzly Muslim men who have a Koran in one hand and their d!cks in the other.

And you Soren, you want to keep a woman like that from entering Australia?

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: the right to choose what to wear Reply #98 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 3:35pm I am not against anyone who will assimilate. Evidently she wears the headscraf only because she would be harmed otherwise - remember, she is in Araby. I am against this and everything it symbolises:
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48874 At my desk.	Re: the right to choose what to wear Reply #99 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 6:18pm Quote: They are sellingh themselves. By covering their face? Honestly Soren you go to absurd lengths to associate such a simple act with whatever suits your argument at the time (which of course changes every time someone points out how silly it is).
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Reply #100 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 6:26pm

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 6:18pm:

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They are sellingh themselves.

By covering their face? Honestly Soren you go to absurd lengths to associate such a simple act with whatever suits your argument at the time (which of course changes every time someone points out how silly it is).

Jesus, FD, we were talking about the example of slaves. You said "Inalienable rights means you can't sell them".

To which I replied that the parallel example of the Africans is about selling themselves. The parallel is that the burqa wearers are demanding the freedom of unfreedom and you are supporting them in that.

Sometimes I think you take dyslexia as a form of argument way too far.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48874 At my desk.	Re: the right to choose what to wear Reply #101 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 6:59pm Right. You cannot sell your fundamental human rights. But you can choose to cover your face. Not sure why this is such a sticking point for you Soren.
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Reply #102 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 8:51pm

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 6:59pm:

Right. You cannot sell your fundamental human rights. But you can choose to cover your face. Not sure why this is such a sticking point for you Soren.

But soren has demonstrated time and again that you cannot choose when you are being coerced to do the thing you claim as a choice. At this rate you'd defend a womens right to be crippled.
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Reply #103 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 9:25pm

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 6:59pm:

Right. You cannot sell your fundamental human rights. But you can choose to cover your face. Not sure why this is such a sticking point for you Soren.

I can't think of one false step in this video. It just sums it all up well. Addresses all your points and shows them to be baseless.

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Foolosophy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1171 Australia Gender:	Re: the right to choose what to wear Reply #104 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 9:27pm freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 6:59pm: Right. You cannot sell your fundamental human rights. But you can choose to cover your face. Not sure why this is such a sticking point for you Soren. Even this is a sticking point for Soren
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