This kind of took me by surprise - mostly because it took so long for the breadth of the agenda to be revealed.

Grey wrote on Apr 18^th, 2011 at 5:29am:


Grey wrote on Apr 18^th, 2011 at 5:29am:


So instead you pick of the easy target - muslim women?

Why would you like to ban all religious clothing? What is the ultimate goal here?

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So you admit it is not a problem in itself?

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Would you like to ban all forms of divisive clothing?

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So, it's not the clothes they wear?

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It only excuses government issued clothing for them?

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Is this perhaps your agenda - to eradicate the emotional trauma of rejection?

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So you can't get over the first hurdle? Why is that? What is the difficulty? Are you hinting at troublesome issues like human rights and freedom of choice?

And there I was thinking it it might be an interesting new topic instead of doubling up on the burqa. 

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Not alone no, that would be discriminatory. I think it would be a fine thing to ban all political flags and t/shirts - except for Anarchisms of course because Anarchism is different. <irony alert>

Our society is comprised far too much of gangs. Gangs are not seeking solutions to problems. They will set out to focus on an issue but it's all about power for a hierarchy and growing the territory. Gangs have tunnel vision, uniforms, specialised language, normalised behaviour and coerce others.

The other way of doing is by co-operation between sovereign individuals, (communities).

I'm for the latter method, I just don't know how to deconstruct the former.

Gangs often change their agendas to suit the primary purpose of power, control and territory for the leaders. So conservative parties often don't conserve anything and labour parties are comprised of Lawyers and Doctors. 

The ultimate gangs (the Big Battalions, as they're known) are religions. Their agenda is entirely abstract, the worship of Jesus of Nazareth as the son of god, can lead to the burning of wise old ladies and their cats in the pursuit of controlling knowledge.  I don't like religions, I don't like their surplices, cassocks, wibbles, burqas, crosses, swinging jars of incenses, wheat wafer bodies or bloody wine. I've nothing against contemplative spiritual communities though.

Perhaps you should start with a list of everything you want banned. That way you won't have to come up with a new ban every day.

The issue is not religious clothing, but clothing that hides the wearers face in public.  A big difference.

Banning types of clothing?

I suppose it's all in the name of "freedom"?

the mistake was made early.
the idiots that run aussie, let 'em come here.
j.

I didn't realise that textiles could be religious.

What if I accidentally wear a tee-shirt that has a religious symbol on it? What punishment would you impose? stoning?

Do I have to throw away my Aboriginal dreaming teeshirt?

What about fancy dress parties? Should it be illegal to dress up as the Pope, and if the Pope himself comes to Australia, should he be allowed to wear his gowns?

I think people should be free to express themselves by wearing whatever clothes they please. The alternative gets a bit Orwellian.

Grey, maybe you didn't think through the implications.

Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 18^th, 2011 at 9:23pm:


Freedom is slavery 

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2011 at 9:18pm:


Mone are as blind as those who will not see, like you FD:

An Asian woman who works in a pharmacy in east London was told to dress more modestly and wear a veil or the shop would be boycotted.
When she went to the media to talk about the abuse she suffered, a man later entered the pharmacy and told her: 'If you keep doing these things, we are going to kill you'.

The 31-year-old, who is not a practising Muslim, said she has since been told to take holiday by the pharmacy owners and now fears she may lose her job.
She said: 'Why should I wear a hijab (headscarf) or burqa? I haven't done anything wrong.'
Other incidents reported include the placing of stickers across the white-minority borough which state it is a 'gay-free zone' and the daubing of paint on posters for clothing shop H&M featuring women in bikinis.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377780/London-Taliban-targeting-women-gays-bid-impose-sharia-law.html#ixzz1Julqmw1K


The Talibanesque brutes will enforce dresscodes for women. They will threaten murder for non-compliance. In London. They will do it wherever their numbers grow.
Just to illustrate that your hobbyhorse of "letting women choose for themselves" is a load of bollocks on stilts.
The niqab and the burqa are the black flags of Islam.