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Reply #15 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 8:13am

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2011 at 9:18pm:

Belgarion, everyone seems to have a different reason for banning things.

You may think it is because it is your right to force a woman to show you part of her body.

Soren thinks the burqa hurts our culture's feelings. He is not sure what our culture is though. He knows it is not values like freedom and democracy, but he is unsure about meat pies.

For Grey, it is because we should all be wearing sacks of the same colour. Once a year we should all be issued with a new sack so no-one feels rejected. If anyone wears their sack in a non-standard manner they should be lynched.

FD if every woman wore a burqa in this country would you be comfortable with that???.

we would have to build larger toilets I am afaid.. I cant begin to understand what going to the bathroom means to those women!!

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Reply #16 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 8:22am

Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 18^th, 2011 at 9:23pm:

Banning types of clothing?

I suppose it's all in the name of "freedom"?

THIS ISSUE, is not about banning 'clothing', or the 'right' of someone, anyone, to choose to wear, the clothing that they choose to wear.

It is about some people choosing to hide their apparent identity, in public places.

It is about some people choosing to conceal their apparent identity, in public places.

Dictionary;
apparent = =
1 readily perceived or understood; obvious.
2 seeming real or true.

It is about, the question of whether it is appropriate [do persons have the right], in a country like Australia, to drive a motor vehicle, or, for persons to conduct normal daily 'business' transactions in any public places, when their 'apparent' identity is not apparent [to others around them].

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Reply #17 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 8:40am

Soren wrote on Apr 19^th, 2011 at 8:06am:

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2011 at 9:18pm:

Belgarion, everyone seems to have a different reason for banning things.

You may think it is because it is your right to force a woman to show you part of her body.

Soren thinks the burqa hurts our culture's feelings. He is not sure what our culture is though. He knows it is not values like freedom and democracy, but he is unsure about meat pies.

For Grey, it is because we should all be wearing sacks of the same colour. Once a year we should all be issued with a new sack so no-one feels rejected. If anyone wears their sack in a non-standard manner they should be lynched.

Mone are as blind as those who will not see, like you FD:

An Asian woman who works in a pharmacy in east London was told to dress more modestly and wear a veil or the shop would be boycotted.
When she went to the media to talk about the abuse she suffered, a man later entered the pharmacy and told her: 'If you keep doing these things, we are going to kill you'.

The 31-year-old, who is not a practising Muslim, said she has since been told to take holiday by the pharmacy owners and now fears she may lose her job.
She said: 'Why should I wear a hijab (headscarf) or burqa? I haven't done anything wrong.'
Other incidents reported include the placing of stickers across the white-minority borough which state it is a 'gay-free zone' and the daubing of paint on posters for clothing shop H&M featuring women in bikinis.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377780/London-Taliban-targeting-women-gays-bid-impose-sharia-law.html#ixzz1Julqmw1K

The Talibanesque brutes will enforce dresscodes for women. They will threaten murder for non-compliance. In London. They will do it wherever their numbers grow.

Just to illustrate that your hobbyhorse of "letting women choose for themselves" is a load of bollocks on stilts.
The niqab and the burqa are the black flags of Islam.

But FD, continues to insist that; ....'Cultural mores do not have feelings.'
"The case against Islamic immigration"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1302598375/34#34

So i guess cultural mores are un-important - ESPECIALLY TO THE MOSLEM COMMUNITY.
/sarc off

A question FD......

If as you insist, cultural mores are un-important, why don't moslems seem agree with you [as the details of Sorens post so eloquently attest] ???

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Reply #18 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 9:35am

Soren wrote on Apr 19^th, 2011 at 8:06am:

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2011 at 9:18pm:

Belgarion, everyone seems to have a different reason for banning things.

You may think it is because it is your right to force a woman to show you part of her body.

Soren thinks the burqa hurts our culture's feelings. He is not sure what our culture is though. He knows it is not values like freedom and democracy, but he is unsure about meat pies.

For Grey, it is because we should all be wearing sacks of the same colour. Once a year we should all be issued with a new sack so no-one feels rejected. If anyone wears their sack in a non-standard manner they should be lynched.

Mone are as blind as those who will not see, like you FD:

An Asian woman who works in a pharmacy in east London was told to dress more modestly and wear a veil or the shop would be boycotted.
When she went to the media to talk about the abuse she suffered, a man later entered the pharmacy and told her: 'If you keep doing these things, we are going to kill you'.

The 31-year-old, who is not a practising Muslim, said she has since been told to take holiday by the pharmacy owners and now fears she may lose her job.
She said: 'Why should I wear a hijab (headscarf) or burqa? I haven't done anything wrong.'
Other incidents reported include the placing of stickers across the white-minority borough which state it is a 'gay-free zone' and the daubing of paint on posters for clothing shop H&M featuring women in bikinis.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377780/London-Taliban-targeting-women-gays-bid-impose-sharia-law.html#ixzz1Julqmw1K

The Talibanesque brutes will enforce dresscodes for women. They will threaten murder for non-compliance. In London. They will do it wherever their numbers grow.

Just to illustrate that your hobbyhorse of "letting women choose for themselves" is a load of bollocks on stilts.
The niqab and the burqa are the black flags of Islam.

As the details of Sorens post so clearly demonstrate, moslems, all good moslems, are beyond reason.

All moslems are beyond reason, except of course, the 'moderate' moslems, who, for example, are citizens of the UK.
/sarc off

When will you people choose to accept the truth?

That there are no moderate moslems...

BECAUSE, there is no moderate ISLAM.

THIS IS ISLAM...
This is how ISLAM chooses to promote itself...
And this is how ISLAM chooses to assert itself in the world...

IMAGE,

Moslems are always making the FALSE claim, that...

#1, ISLAM - is being 'mis-represented' by 'ISLAM-o-phobes'
OR,
#2, Moslems - are being 'mis-represented' by 'ISLAM-o-phobes'

When will you people choose to accept the truth ???

Q.
What does ISLAM promote, in the world of men ???

A.

'Religious' fascism.

Wake up people.

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Reply #19 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 9:42am

The Muslim religious 'advice' to women (advice that is very hard to refuse) is that they should not imitate the kuffar. Whoever imitates the kuffar becomes kuffar.

Look it up FD, or better still, ask the great Muslim authority, Abu, whether it is true or not.

In a Hadith recorded by Imam Abu Dawud (Allah have Mercy on him) and others, The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said:

�Whosoever imitates a nation is amongst them�. (Sunan Abu Dawud,)

It should be remembered here that not everything what the non-Muslims wear and do, is Haram and unlawful. Imitation, which is prohibited, is effected in one of the following two ways:

a) One does something with the intention of imitating the Kuffar, meaning one does so because one wants to be like a particular non-believer or non-believers.

b) Doing something that is unique and exclusive to the non-believers or it is part of their faith. This will also be considered imitation, thus Haram (unlawful). (See the Fatwa of Shaykh Mufti Taqi Usmani).

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Reply #20 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 10:14am

Soren wrote on Apr 19^th, 2011 at 9:42am:

The Muslim religious 'advice' to women (advice that is very hard to refuse) is that they should not imitate the kuffar. Whoever imitates the kuffar becomes kuffar.

Look it up FD, or better still, ask the great Muslim authority, Abu, whether it is true or not.

In a Hadith recorded by Imam Abu Dawud (Allah have Mercy on him) and others, The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said:

�Whosoever imitates a nation is amongst them�. (Sunan Abu Dawud,)

It should be remembered here that not everything what the non-Muslims wear and do, is Haram and unlawful. Imitation, which is prohibited, is effected in one of the following two ways:

a) One does something with the intention of imitating the Kuffar, meaning one does so because one wants to be like a particular non-believer or non-believers.

b) Doing something that is unique and exclusive to the non-believers or it is part of their faith. This will also be considered imitation, thus Haram (unlawful). (See the Fatwa of Shaykh Mufti Taqi Usmani).

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Within ISLAM, all things within the ISLAMIC universe are defined, according to what is acceptable to ISLAM.

And Western values, of justice, right and wrong [specific areas of 'Western' law], are not halal [permitted] within ISLAM unless they are already permitted by Sharia.

To all moslems, ISLAM alone determines what is right or wrong.

What behaviour is permitted [halal], to muslims?

Within ISLAM, for a devout muslim all things are permissible, if they are permitted by Sharia.

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Reply #21 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 10:50am

When will you people choose to accept the truth?

That there are no moderate christians...

BECAUSE, there is no moderate CHRISTIANITY.

THIS IS CHRISTIANITY...
This is how CHRISTIANITY chooses to promote itself...
And this is how CHRISTIANITY chooses to assert itself in the world...

Christians are always making the FALSE claim, that...

#1, CHRISTIANITY - is being 'mis-represented' by 'CHRISTIAN-o-phobes'
OR,
#2, Christians - are being 'mis-represented' by 'Christian-o-phobes'

When will you people choose to accept the truth ???

Q.
What does CHRISTIANITY promote, in the world of men ???

A.

'Religious' fascism.

Wake up people.

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Reply #22 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 11:14am

Grey wrote on Apr 19^th, 2011 at 10:50am:

When will you people choose to accept the truth?

That there are no moderate christians...

BECAUSE, there is no moderate CHRISTIANITY.

THIS IS CHRISTIANITY...
This is how CHRISTIANITY chooses to promote itself...
And this is how CHRISTIANITY chooses to assert itself in the world...

Christians are always making the FALSE claim, that...

#1, CHRISTIANITY - is being 'mis-represented' by 'CHRISTIAN-o-phobes'
OR,
#2, Christians - are being 'mis-represented' by 'Christian-o-phobes'

When will you people choose to accept the truth ???

Q.
What does CHRISTIANITY promote, in the world of men ???

A.

'Religious' fascism.

Wake up people.

Grey one,

I am on dial-up [@ 24 kb/sec today].

And so i am unable to view, or to comment on the YT presentation which you posted.

What was its 'gist' ?

You will have to make your argument explicit, if you care to, in in this forum, in debate.

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Reply #23 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 11:26am

Soren wrote on Apr 19^th, 2011 at 8:06am:

The niqab and the burqa are the black flags of Islam.

Total covering of the face (as in the burka/niqab) is not a requirement of Islam, and many Muslims even find it annoying. It's only a tiny proportion of Muslim women who wear masks. I worked in several predominantly Muslim countries in the late 90's and didn't see one burqa in my travels.

The Hijab on the other hand is just a headscarf. It's a fashion accessory.

It's like saying that this guy represents Christianity:

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Reply #24 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 11:26am

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What was its 'gist' ?

As far as I can make out some mad shyte about Jimmy Carter and obama being gay muslim blood bros, set on wrecking America.

Quote:

You will have to make your argument explicit, if you care to, in in this forum, in debate.

How could I go wrong? As you may have noticed I just used your argument as a template, merely sustituting Christian for Muslim.

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mavisdavis Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1512	Re: ban all 'religious' clothing Reply #25 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 11:48am This thread is one of the dumber threads on the boards. To even consider trying to compare creeping around in public with faces masked, with genuine religious freedom issues, is pathetic in a severely childlike way.
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Reply #26 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 11:53am

Grey wrote on Apr 19^th, 2011 at 11:26am:

Quote:

What was its 'gist' ?

As far as I can make out some mad shyte about Jimmy Carter and obama being gay muslim blood bros, set on wrecking America.

Quote:

You will have to make your argument explicit, if you care to, in in this forum, in debate.

How could I go wrong? As you may have noticed I just used your argument as a template, merely sustituting Christian for Muslim.

Wow! You must have put some thought into that stroke of........
Actually doesn`t work, Christians don`t want to creep around with their faces hidden.

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Reply #27 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 1:24pm

muso wrote on Apr 19^th, 2011 at 11:26am:

Total covering of the face (as in the burka/niqab) is not a requirement of Islam, and many Muslims even find it annoying.

muso,

If that is so, then shouldn't you be trying to convince moslems of that 'truth' ???

As moslems are the ones who seem to be 'confused' about the mandatory wearing of head coverings by ALL women.

To wit, the moslem persons cited here......
"ban all 'religious' clothing"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1303119265/14#14

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Reply #28 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 1:33pm

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2011 at 9:18pm:

Belgarion, everyone seems to have a different reason for banning things.

You may think it is because it is your right to force a woman to show you part of her body.

Soren thinks the burqa hurts our culture's feelings. He is not sure what our culture is though. He knows it is not values like freedom and democracy, but he is unsure about meat pies.

For Grey, it is because we should all be wearing sacks of the same colour. Once a year we should all be issued with a new sack so no-one feels rejected. If anyone wears their sack in a non-standard manner they should be lynched.

It is indeed my right to see the face of anyone, anywhere in a public place. I don't care what the religious or cultural imperatives, the common good overrules them all. In this case the right of every person to be able to recognise who they may be dealing with at any time.

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Reply #29 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 1:48pm

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It is indeed my right to see the face of anyone, anywhere in a public place. I don't care what the religious or cultural imperatives, the common good overrules them all. In this case the right of every person to be able to recognise who they may be dealing with at any time.

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