Jalane as you are new here, and to this posting lark an'll, let me give you a word to the wise. There are a very few who have completely lost the plot. Don't imitate them, because people may judge you are as one.

Verily I say unto yea, behold,  by their formatting yea shall know them. For they shall use wide spaces and huge letters and shall wear out your scroll bar and your will to live.

Now should we back up our 100 sisters who don't want to wear a burqa and are oppressed into doing so, or should we support the right of our not really a full quid sister to wear one voluntarily?

Its not the act of wearing the Burqa that offends,
its the act of the Burqa that offends anything beyond its world of a Holy Place of Worship.

In other words:
When Moslems walk into the (priv) Hospital where I was working and the women were chastizing their 'visual' identity. I asked them to remove (only) their facial covering - so as not to offend both Staff and other patients.
I immediately got a refusal, for religious reasons.
I said "fine", but this is a Hospital, not a place of Religion "Either remove the veil or leave the Hospital."
...the women eventually conceded after much rantings of discrimination. They then proceeded to keep the 'curtain' around their bed and request "No males" to attend.
That was fine, especially if the female is under 20 in my books, but not that you could tell if she was fully covered in attire.
Now the Moslem woman was 'large' and the two female staff were duminitive and they had to constantly manouver the Moslem lady around in the bed.
I told my two female Staff to fill out Incident Reports regardless, due to the nuisance of this patient's constant request of "No Male" - because they were sure to feel the back pain after. In fact both female staff complained of back pain straight away and Reports were written ("It is written!" ).
So you see, the Burqa and any other Religious aspect in life, is ok - but only in places of 'specification', in this case - Temples of Worship.

Alas, many Religious people think 'everywhere' is Religious, just like Polititians think everything is Political and hence why these people both carry Guns as if they were Military = DENIAL.

Now I have met women in Burqas who 'visually' hide themselves, but 'audiolly' I have found them polite and pleasant to converse with.
I mean, maybe some women might find it Religious to "remain SILENT" but be visually more open rather than restrained. Nothing wrong with that - we all extrovert in one manner and introvert in another. But again, leave it at a Holy Place.
A Doctor of whom worked at the same Hospital threw a Scientology Book out his window when the Scientologists told him: "In our Religion - you must not talk while we are being operated upon."
...funny how people use their "Life's meaning" to bully, dominate, dictate and ruin other people's existences.

Religious people should just teach people to Read and Write, nothing more, nothing less.

Pansi I do not want to live in a country where people are wearing full on muslim clothing.

Australia is not a Muslim country - if people want to wear that, they have the pick of the Arab world and parts of Asia.

Not Australia.

Today`s muslim immigrant / refugee is tomorrows enemy of Australia`s western lifestyle. Does the world really need another Egypt, Iraq, etc?  I`m sure that I for one, don`t want the oppressive muslim "lifestyle" around me.

freediver wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 11:28am:


I am NOT an anti-muslim nutter, I am an anti-islamofascist nutter and disapprover of religion in a generally tolerant, nondenominational sort of way 

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 7:32am:



Oh, but compromise in islam is the end of islam. That is why it is is important to press for compromise by Islam all the small ways. It cannot survive compromise, just as it cannot survive jokes and cartoons and criticism and satire. Islam is very ridid which makes it very fragile.

freediver wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 8:11pm:

I think we should ban nudity, because that's pagan atire. If fact, everybody should have a strip search to make sure they're not concealing the fact that they are naked under all that clothing. 

Bobby. wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 10:39pm:


Buddhism is different in that its central product, meditation, is a useful tool. But like every other religious gang it's become utterly corrupted by woo. The Dalai Lama has run a nice propagands campaign over the decades to the extent that his face with a gentle wry and knowing smile has become the sterotype for the worlds Buddhists. The fact he's the latest incarnation of a long line of despots that make the Chinese look enlightened has been carefully swept under the carpet.

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