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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49502 At my desk.	Re: Muslims: think first before you immigrate Reply #15 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 9:11pm Does that photo contain images of the deceased? Did you include a warning for aboriginal and torres straight islanders?
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Muslims: think first before you immigrate Reply #16 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 12:03am Are you mocking the customs and traditions of the first Australians fd? Quite insensitive don't you think? Especially since you are squatting on their land to add insult to injury.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49502 At my desk.	Re: Muslims: think first before you immigrate Reply #17 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 8:36am I would have thought that tricking them into looking at photos of their deceased elders would be mockery.
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Re: Muslims: think first before you immigrate
Reply #18 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 8:38am

freediver wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 5:11pm:

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it assumes that the only people who have qualms with democracy are illegal immigrants trying to get in here.

No it doesn't. It has nothing to do with the 'queue jumper' debate. If they are illegals then they are already here illegally.

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If someone really has a desire to sneak in here and destroy democracy from within (as your delusion would have it), then wouldn't they also have no qualms about lying to get in to do it?

You tell me Abu. For many people, the opposition to democracy is part of a broader ideology that is also opposed to lying. As someone who opposes democracy, how would you handle this situation if you ever found yourself in it?

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The idea that immigration policies have any relevance to religious extremism is just childish at best.

One of the advantages of the proposed policy is that it is not about religion.

You see Abu, in an immigration interview you cannot simply avoid the question and hope someone changes the subject for you. They will sit there in silence waiting for an answer from you. If it doesn't come, pack your bags because you're going back home.

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Re: Muslims: think first before you immigrate
Reply #19 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 9:45am

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 4:01pm:

Thats what these original owners of this land said when the pale face invaded with guns, violence, disease and theft

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Keelhauling was a type of naval punishment in the 17th and 18th century. Although officially only the Dutch Navy practiced it, under the name of kielhalen. Keelhauling is a brutal form of corporal punishment which involves dragging the offender underwater from one side of a ship to the other. In a period when the word of the ship captain was law, keelhauling was only one in a variety of unpleasant punishment tactics which could easily kill a sailor.

Keelhauling first appeared in 1560, when a Dutch ordinance outlined the practice and the offenses for which it could be used. Other maritime powers including Britain adopted the practice as well, although it began to be phased out in the 1700s. The Dutch Navy did not ban keelhauling until 1853, when a more humane era of sailing frowned on the practice

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-keelhauling.htm

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Re: Muslims: think first before you immigrate
Reply #20 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 1:50pm

salad in wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 9:45am:

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 4:01pm:

Thats what these original owners of this land said when the pale face invaded with guns, violence, disease and theft

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Keelhauling was a type of naval punishment in the 17th and 18th century. Although officially only the Dutch Navy practiced it, under the name of kielhalen. Keelhauling is a brutal form of corporal punishment which involves dragging the offender underwater from one side of a ship to the other. In a period when the word of the ship captain was law, keelhauling was only one in a variety of unpleasant punishment tactics which could easily kill a sailor.

Keelhauling first appeared in 1560, when a Dutch ordinance outlined the practice and the offenses for which it could be used. Other maritime powers including Britain adopted the practice as well, although it began to be phased out in the 1700s. The Dutch Navy did not ban keelhauling until 1853, when a more humane era of sailing frowned on the practice

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-keelhauling.htm

What are you saying - they keelhauled Aboriginals?

History is different to politics. You don't just pick a side and argue it. You need to review facts and put them into context.

Our past is made up of great cruelties and injustices, but it wasn't all like that. Arthur and the officers of the first fleet went to great lengths to establish a fair society in New South Wales, and Aboriginals took to life in the colony early on. Early Sydney was a town with blacks and whites living alongside each other.

The notion of Aboriginals as a disposessed race destined to die out is a self-fulfilling prophecy, a cause that was championed by the later proponents of eugenics. After all, we only sought to interbreed them with whites for their own good.

Now we have policies like the "intervention," a policy that can't be seen as simply good or evil as it's championed by many Aboriginal women themselves.

History is complicated. Arguing crude absolutes and platitudes is merely self-indulgent, and rarely does anyone any good.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49502 At my desk.	Re: Muslims: think first before you immigrate Reply #21 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 2:07pm Quote: History is different to politics. You don't just pick a side and argue it. I would hope that would be true of both.
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Re: Muslims: think first before you immigrate
Reply #22 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 7:09pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 1:50pm:

What are you saying - they keelhauled Aboriginals?

No, not at all. I was trying to demonstate that a photo of a coffle of presumably obedient and submissive aborigines in a thread about mulims contemplating immigration is as irrelevant as the subject of heelhauling in the same thread.

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Reply #23 - Apr 27^th, 2011 at 10:18am

salad in wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 7:09pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 1:50pm:

What are you saying - they keelhauled Aboriginals?

No, not at all. I was trying to demonstate that a photo of a coffle of presumably obedient and submissive aborigines in a thread about mulims contemplating immigration is as irrelevant as the subject of heelhauling in the same thread.

Aha! Excellent keelhauling, my fiend.

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Reply #24 - Apr 27^th, 2011 at 2:01pm

salad in wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 7:09pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 1:50pm:

What are you saying - they keelhauled Aboriginals?

No, not at all. I was trying to demonstate that a photo of a coffle of presumably obedient and submissive aborigines in a thread about mulims contemplating immigration is as irrelevant as the subject of heelhauling in the same thread.

were the Jews in WW2 concentration camps OBEDIENT and SUBMISSIVE?

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Re: Muslims: think first before you immigrate
Reply #25 - Apr 27^th, 2011 at 3:21pm

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 27^th, 2011 at 2:01pm:

salad in wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 7:09pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 1:50pm:

What are you saying - they keelhauled Aboriginals?

No, not at all. I was trying to demonstate that a photo of a coffle of presumably obedient and submissive aborigines in a thread about mulims contemplating immigration is as irrelevant as the subject of heelhauling in the same thread.

were the Jews in WW2 concentration camps OBEDIENT and SUBMISSIVE?

http://civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Auschwit...
http://www.khanfactor.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/aboriginals_1906.jpg

I'm not certain, dear boy. These ones, however, look a little well fed.

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Re: Muslims: think first before you immigrate
Reply #26 - Apr 27^th, 2011 at 4:11pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2011 at 10:18am:

Aha! Excellent keelhauling, my fiend.

Sorry for the typos; my wife makes me wear the burqa even when I take a shower. Sometimes it's hard to see out of that black tent with the mesh piece concealing my eyes.

Please tell me you are male because if my wife finds me corresponding with a female without a chaperon she will beat me (lightly of course).

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Reply #27 - Apr 27^th, 2011 at 4:21pm

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 27^th, 2011 at 2:01pm:

were the Jews in WW2 concentration camps OBEDIENT and SUBMISSIVE?

You were kicking the jews in another thread. Now you're here to defend them. Make up your mind.

And what about serfs?

The daily life of a serf was hard. The Medieval serfs did not receive their land as a free gift; for the use of it they owed certain duties to their master. These took chiefly the form of personal services. Medieval Serfs had to labor on the lord's domain for two or three days each week, and at specially busy seasons, such as ploughing and harvesting, Serfs had to do do extra work. The daily life of a serf was dictated by the requirements of the lord of the manor. At least half his time was usually demanded by the lord. Serfs also had to make certain payments, either in money or more often in grain, honey, eggs, or other produce. When Serfs ground the wheat he was obliged to use the lord's mill, and pay the customary charge. In theory the lord could tax his serfs as heavily and make them work as hard as he pleased, but the fear of losing his tenants doubtless in most cases prevented him from imposing too great burdens on the daily life of the serf.

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Re: Muslims: think first before you immigrate
Reply #28 - Apr 28^th, 2011 at 9:08am

salad in wrote on Apr 27^th, 2011 at 4:11pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2011 at 10:18am:

Aha! Excellent keelhauling, my fiend.

Sorry for the typos; my wife makes me wear the burqa even when I take a shower. Sometimes it's hard to see out of that black tent with the mesh piece concealing my eyes.

Please tell me you are male because if my wife finds me corresponding with a female without a chaperon she will beat me (lightly of course).

I never knew that a rubber doll could make anyone where anything. Oh well, each to there own.

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