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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	I Was Not Born With Sin Apr 24^th, 2011 at 7:33am and so it is we are all sacred and divine the CHRIST within me,beloved ones is also within you you are truely blessed forgive yourselves now... in LOVE and LIGHT namaste
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Sprintcyclist Moderator Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40738 Gender:	Re: I Was Not Born With Sin Reply #1 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 10:51am When we are born we have not sinned. we are flawed though
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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: I Was Not Born With Sin Reply #2 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 12:06pm christians/xtians believe they are born with sin.. whats the go? with forgiveness namaste
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95649 Gender:	Re: I Was Not Born With Sin Reply #3 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 12:41pm Hindus and Buddhists believe that they are born with ignorance. What's the difference? Forgiven.
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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: I Was Not Born With Sin Reply #4 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 12:55pm christians/xtians believe they are born with sin.. whats the go? with forgiveness namaste (this question remains unanswered with forgiveness unto learned ones...manners yes aaum*)
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: I Was Not Born With Sin Reply #5 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 1:50pm it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 12:06pm: christians/xtians believe they are born with sin.. whats the go? with forgiveness namaste Well it's called original sin, or the sin of Adam. Remember the episode when God caught Adam playing with his serpent in the garden, and Adam blamed it on Eve? - original sin.
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Reply #6 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 3:20pm

muso wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 1:50pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 12:06pm:

christians/xtians believe they are born with sin..

whats the go?

with forgiveness

namaste

Well it's called original sin, or the sin of Adam. Remember the episode when God caught Adam playing with his serpent in the garden, and Adam blamed it on Eve? - original sin.

so....let me see if i can get this as near to correct as possible....christians already have the guilt/onus of someone elses *"indiscretion" at birth?

what about budhists? considering they believe in reincarnation....does it also follow that the sins/guilt/onus of their *"former self" follow them as well?

ps * for want of better terms.

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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: I Was Not Born With Sin Reply #7 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 3:58pm with forgiveness unto humourous ones and confused teachings why were you christians born with sin original sin as it were and if you would please i would have the care for some instruction regarding your perspective beloved ones namaste
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Reply #8 - Apr 26^th, 2011 at 12:00am

I have heard another christian say we are all born with sin, I did not like it and still disagree.
That baby has not sinned.

The consequenses of adam and eves sin will happen to that baby.
It'll grow old, get ill at times. make mistakes, it will siin in itself, and it will pass away.
That's a part of living on this world.

imho, the baby has not sinned.
The results of its' ancestors sinning will still occur though.

Had adam and eve not sinned, perhaps that baby would never get ill and never die ?
It'ld be perfect.

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Reply #9 - Apr 26^th, 2011 at 12:06am

That baby must be taught that it is doomed from the beginning - it must sin and it must be punished but it will have regular opportunities to confess its sins (pre-meditated or otherwise) and the promise of eternal afterlife - it is the Xtian way!?

Oh, and apparently, it will also have the opportunity to exploit and profit from others with impunity - cos that's OK, it is the Xtian way!?

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Reply #10 - Apr 26^th, 2011 at 12:13am

I cold well be wrong here

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But his father will die for his own sin, because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother and did what was wrong among his people.

“Yet you ask, ‘Why does the son not share the guilt of his father?’
Since the son has done what is just and right and has been careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live.
The one who sins is the one who will die.
The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.

“But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die.
None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them.
Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live.
Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD.
Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?

Ezekiel 18: 18 - 23

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The one who sins is the one who will die.
The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child.
The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.

Ezekiel 18:20

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Reply #11 - Apr 26^th, 2011 at 7:34am

ash wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 3:20pm:

what about budhists? considering they believe in reincarnation....does it also follow that the sins/guilt/onus of their *"former self" follow them as well?

ps * for want of better terms.

For a start, Buddhists don't usually believe in reincarnation in the literal sense, and you can't really infer something about Buddhism from a consideration of Christianity either.

I'm not a Christian as such (just for Easter Grin

), but I was trying to explain the concept of original sin.

Here is a Wikipedia article that summarises it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_sin

Do I agree with it? No, but I think it's a way of describing some kind of latent or hereditary malevolence, which is fair enough.

My own position is that all people are capable of doing good as well as bad. In some cases, it's obvious what is good and what is bad, but not always.

I like this Ancient Chinese tale:

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There was an old man who had a beautiful horse. This horse was not only his family’s pride and joy, but it was also a means to an income for the family.

One day, the horse ran away. Fellow villagers visited the old man to give their condolences for such a stroke of bad luck, as the loss of his horse represented a staggering financial blow that would be hard to recover from.

“Good luck, bad luck: Who can tell?” replied the old man. “It is as it is. My horse is gone.”

Perplexed at the man’s nonchalance towards the apparent tragedy, the villagers went about their business.

A few days later, the horse returned with a pack of 12 wild horses in tow. Again the villagers gathered, this time to offer their congratulations at such a stroke of good luck. Now he had 12 more horses with which to make 12 times the income! What a godsend, they said.

“Good luck, bad luck: Who can tell?” replied the old man again. “All I see is that 12 more horses have appeared.”

The next week, while breaking in one of the wild horses, the old man’s son fell and both his legs were broken. What bad luck! The villagers exclaimed. Your son has broken both of his legs. That’s terrible. How will you get your work done? You are too old to do it yourself.

“Good luck, bad luck: Who can tell?” was the (now predictable and equally frustrating) answer of the old man. “My son has broken his legs. That is all I know.”

Shortly thereafter, the government forcibly removed all the able-bodied men from the village, as the country had gone to war. The old man’s son, however, was spared since his legs were broken.

Good luck, bad luck: Who can tell?

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Reply #12 - Apr 26^th, 2011 at 8:07am

Equitist wrote on Apr 26^th, 2011 at 12:06am:

That baby must be taught that it is doomed from the beginning - it must sin and it must be punished but it will have regular opportunities to confess its sins (pre-meditated or otherwise) and the promise of eternal afterlife - it is the Xtian way!?

Oh, and apparently, it will also have the opportunity to exploit and profit from others with impunity - cos that's OK, it is the Xtian way!?

Youre confusing Christianity with Judaism.

Jesus rejected the barbaric immorality taught in the Old Testament which is the basis of Judaism.

Jews reject Christ - remember?

Where is the Christian text in the New Testament that encourages exploitation and quest for profit?

Quite the opposite

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Reply #13 - Apr 26^th, 2011 at 8:25am

Jesus rejected the barbaric immorality taught in the Old Testament which is the basis of Judaism.

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i will correct you here

this is a common mistake with forgiveness

the one you know as jesus is in fact jeshua

jesus means 'son of zeus' and is it any wonder

the lies they have handed down and all christians

hail and beg for the son of zeus to save them HE will come

and evangelicals and jesuit factional zealots hide within

christian cults and exclaim jesus will save

this is not so..the second comming is from within beloved ones

the CHRIST within you within so very much LOVE secreted

in an eternal vessel

it is the LIGHT

namaste

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Sprintcyclist Moderator Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40738 Gender:	Re: I Was Not Born With Sin Reply #14 - Apr 26^th, 2011 at 1:34pm I think Jesus means "Who is with us" From my memory ferm my concordance. It has nothing to do with zeus "Christ " means "The annointed one"
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