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Reply #15 - Apr 25th, 2011 at 9:01pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2011 at 12:20pm:
I like how they use the number of homeless people as a measure of the housing shortage. As if any of these homeless people would be able to afford to buy a house any way Sad

There is a hell of a lot of vacant public housing just sitting around doing nothing. Why ?? Is this part of the scam. Boost the homeless and you automatically boost the housing shortage statistics and hence keep the housing bubble inflated by repeating the same lie Wink


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Reply #16 - Apr 25th, 2011 at 9:36pm
 
hello - new to the Forum -

Homelessness  -  a true confession??  been one of my two greatest fears since around the age of forty.
Its been a possibility, - and I live where I do now by 'as much arse as class.'  No -- I resile - I worked hard and was Lucky!!.   My first true home.
And things 'change'.

So - what am I saying?  I agree with Katanyavich.  All homeless should be helped !!,  be they willing -  irrespective of age - mental health - none of these things or their like - should mean a person is 'de-prioritised'! Yuk did I make that word up??

As to who is responsible - aren't we all?    So - thats the prob - what's the solution?  How can we solve it?        I'm starting from scratch.

 I do have some talent at problem solving, but I don't mean to sound like I know everything - what I'm going to say has probably been tried and ...that's way too much about me.!!!


there are practical acts that could be a start.  
This assumes a number of people with the same goal, covering a wide geographical area.

So the first thing  would be to bring together such a group - like on this Topic. In other words - organise.   I.T provides so many options.
If govt's, big or small,  are incompetent - due to their doctrine, time in Power, ineptitude, corruption, distance, ..whatever the excuse, people must always, and often do, take up the challenge.

Then:

1- Use all resources -  eg., personal, friends, acquaintances, relevant state and fed officers,  FOI,  State records, Titles,  info on boards, Twitter, facebook -wikileaks!  anything a group may access, -  to identify, in specific town/city areas, all available unused housing.
Be it public, private, unused, down for demo, for sale - all of it.

As someone pointed out earlier, there' s lots of it around, spread across many demarcation zones.

2- Approach as necessary those responsible for the empty dwellings, or potential dwellings, seeking approval for utilisation of the relevant buildings. And find out what may be needed to do so.

3- Speak to the homeless, talk about it with them !! Identify those interested in having a go, and where they would seek to be, and arrange it.

4- Involve the building Holders.  To assist in relocation and requirements. EG If the building needs work, or total make-over eg- Old Warehouses to Apartments. Old publicly owned structures convertible to provide homespace , etc.

5- DO IT!


I realise I am out of touch with now, in this context.  And I have - personally - so far, not had to deal with it.
Therefore --- This topic being available for comment is most welcome .

So - apologies in advance to any who think I may have been denigrating those already doing what they possibly can. --- All good things to them.

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Reply #17 - Apr 26th, 2011 at 11:42am
 
Ooh! Victoria is going to use part of their budget to build three x 40 bed centres. That ought to make a huge dent in their 20,000+ homeless.

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Reply #18 - Apr 26th, 2011 at 12:44pm
 
LifeMasque wrote on Apr 26th, 2011 at 11:42am:
Ooh! Victoria is going to use part of their budget to build three x 40 bed centres. That ought to make a huge dent in their 20,000+ homeless.

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'Detention' centres for the homeless, eh?

Who'd want the indignity of living in a (no doubt
tightly over-regulated) dormitory-style accommodation?

Not me. Sooner BE homeless.

AND make it conditional upon getting a (non-existent) job?

Why not just ship them off to work-camps, that
seems to be the prevailing attitude?

'Arbeit Macht Frei', eh?


EPIC FAIL.

AGAIN!!!!
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Reply #19 - Apr 26th, 2011 at 1:13pm
 
Abbott's plan sparks welfare fears.   Sad 
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WELFARE groups are concerned about Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's comments on restoring the Howard government's penalty regime for the unemployed.

Welfare Rights Centre director Maree O'Halloran said the former Coalition government's ''three-strikes policy'' had resulted in more than 3000 people being made homeless and 32,000 losing welfare payments for eight-week stretches in 2007.   Angry

In a plan to move ''from a welfare state to an opportunity society'', Mr Abbott said ''there should be consequences for non-performance''. ''Under the former government, consequences could be the suspension of benefits until compliance was resumed.''


He said he wasn't planning ''significant changes'' to the regime previously in place.

Ms O'Halloran said the Rudd government had revised the system last year to emphasise lesser, more immediate penalties for job seekers who failed to meet Centrelink rules, and complex case management. She said cutting off welfare for eight weeks ''has serious consequences''.   Sad

A Coalition policy document says mutual obligation was the hallmark of Coalition government. Penalties for breaching mutual obligation requirements had fallen under Labor, from 32,000 in 2007 to 19,406 in 2008. Only half of the 13,779 penalties dealt out in the past 12 months have involved ''the most severe penalty of loss of benefits for eight weeks'', the document says.

Mr Abbott's announcement instead highlighted the ''carrots'' in the Coalition policy. Young job seekers who had been out of work for a year, then stayed in a job for two years, would be paid $6500 in bonuses. The Coalition will also match a government pledge to pay $6000 to welfare recipients who move to a regional area to take up a job, or $3000 if they move to a city.

''This is a policy of incentives,'' Mr Abbott said. ''We are essentially looking to reward job seekers who do the right thing.'' If a person left the job within six months of relocating, they would be blocked from welfare for six months under the Coalition policy.

Welfare groups labelled this ''extreme and excessive'', and said it might deter job seekers from taking a relocation offer.

Anglicare's Kasy Chambers said welfare election policies from Labor and the Coalition lacked compassion: ''What works for people in those situations is close engagement from services that respect them, not simply a whack with a stick or a couple of extra carrots.'   Wink    


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Reply #20 - Apr 26th, 2011 at 1:31pm
 
Abbott's and Gillard's policies are equally repugnant
and equally contemptible.

And equally unacceptable to ANYONE with any compassion.

ACOSS and the Welfare Rights (What? They don't HAVE
any, do they?) Centre are NOT being listened-to at ALL, and
I feel that it's because they are nowhere NEAR militant and
vocal enough.

ACOSS puts out regular media-releases that, funnily
enough, DON'T get reported in the media. Read them
here, you probably won't see them anywhere else...

http://www.acoss.org.au/media/releases/

And when was the last time you saw a segment on
ACA/TT that DIDN'T simply run the unemployed down?

Why IS that, I wonder? <Sarcasm>

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