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Reply #15 - Apr 30^th, 2011 at 1:24pm

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 30^th, 2011 at 12:13pm:

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Setting up ambushes a couple of hundred metres from your own front door is not the way to keep your family hidden..

If troops were occupying near my house, I'd be attacking them there, not going to the other side of the country to attack them, as you two clowns seem to suggest is the way it's done.

I sincerely hope one day you find yourself in that situation. Being cowards though, I know you would both flee before troops even came near your homes.

You have a very strange idea of 'heroic' then....

So it's 'heroic' to you to put your family in the line of fire, just so you can have home cooked meals and sleep in your own bed??

And it's 'cowardice' to go off and attempt to stop the enemy reaching your house???

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49241 At my desk.	Re: Norweigan journalist warms to the Talibaan Reply #17 - Apr 30^th, 2011 at 2:53pm What about hiding behind civilians while carrying out out a military campaign? I thought Islam forbade that. Or is that ban only for non-Muslims?
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Re: Norweigan journalist warms to the Talibaan
Reply #18 - Apr 30^th, 2011 at 3:40pm

gizmo,

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So it's 'heroic' to you to put your family in the line of fire, just so you can have home cooked meals and sleep in your own bed??

And it's 'cowardice' to go off and attempt to stop the enemy reaching your house???

In case you hadn't noticed, the occupying terrorists are crawling all over their country, no need to leave your home really. If you leave your home, you will be facing them already, hence the reason clashes sometimes occur near their homes. But the vast majority of families murdered by the savage invaders are done via drones, based on tip offs, with no connection to any direct engagement whatsoever, they have nothing to do with anyone being home or not home. By making this an issue, you're just trying to divert from the actual point which is the wanton murder of women and children.

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What about hiding behind civilians while carrying out out a military campaign? I thought Islam forbade that. Or is that ban only for non-Muslims?

Have you provided an example of Afghan resistance fighters doing this? Or do you honestly think we're going to base our discussion around the propagandous picture you've painted here?

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Re: Norweigan journalist warms to the Talibaan
Reply #19 - Apr 30^th, 2011 at 4:21pm

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 30^th, 2011 at 3:40pm:

gizmo,

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So it's 'heroic' to you to put your family in the line of fire, just so you can have home cooked meals and sleep in your own bed??

And it's 'cowardice' to go off and attempt to stop the enemy reaching your house???

In case you hadn't noticed, the occupying terrorists are crawling all over their country, no need to leave your home really. If you leave your home, you will be facing them already, hence the reason clashes sometimes occur near their homes. But the vast majority of families murdered by the savage invaders are done via drones, based on tip offs, with no connection to any direct engagement whatsoever, they have nothing to do with anyone being home or not home. By making this an issue, you're just trying to divert from the actual point which is the wanton murder of women and children.

fd,

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What about hiding behind civilians while carrying out out a military campaign? I thought Islam forbade that. Or is that ban only for non-Muslims?

Have you provided an example of Afghan resistance fighters doing this? Or do you honestly think we're going to base our discussion around the propagandous picture you've painted here?

Abu, I'm trying to get across the idea that IF they'd attack the convoys 3 or 4 k's down the road, then ALL the drone bombers and missiles in the world wouldn't have hit the village....because they'd have been fired at the attack site, not the nearest village...

And the responsibility for the deaths of the women and children are shared equally between the Afghans AND the Coalition forces....

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Reply #20 - Apr 30^th, 2011 at 5:01pm

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Abu, I'm trying to get across the idea that IF they'd attack the convoys 3 or 4 k's down the road

Firstly I'm pretty sure most of the attacks occur more than 3 or 4 km from their own homes. Secondly, so what you go do it next to someone elses village/home, and then they bomb them? You can't seem to grasp that the entire country is under invasion/occupation, you have little choice but to resist them wherever you can.

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then ALL the drone bombers and missiles in the world wouldn't have hit the village....because they'd have been fired at the attack site, not the nearest village...

Most drone attacks are based on tip offs and other "intelligence", they're not a direct response to an immediate engagement. They specifically target the homes of people they have been informed are commanders, whether or not a direct engagement has even been verified with that person.

It is nothing but barbarity, and you only erode your own humanity by supporting it.

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And the responsibility for the deaths of the women and children are shared equally between the Afghans AND the Coalition forces....

No! It's solely on those who've traveled half way round the world to murder innocents to maintain their dominance over a volatile and resource rich region.

Don't try to share the blame on the victims and their families, that is just despicable behaviour on your part.

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Norweigan journalist warms to the Talibaan Reply #21 - Apr 30^th, 2011 at 7:04pm Yeah, I didn't think you'd be able to understand the concept... Oh well, there's NONE so blind as those who will not see....what ever fantasy keeps you happy is fine, I guess...
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Reply #23 - Apr 30^th, 2011 at 9:02pm

Abu, do you really expect that having attacked and killed allied soldiers, your taliban friends expect no retaliation? As the American general Nathan Bedford Forrest noted "War means fightin' and fightin' means killin'." The taliban know this as well as anyone else and they fully understand the consequences of using civilians as human shields. However they continue to do so for the propaganda value.
I would suspect that many of the civilians used as shields aren't actually family at all, merely some poor people who have no choice but to shelter the taliban or suffer the consequences.

You attempt to defend the indefensible.

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Reply #24 - Apr 30^th, 2011 at 9:25pm

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Abu, do you really expect that having attacked and killed allied soldiers...

Do you really expect the Afghan people are ever going to accept the U.S invasion/occupation of their country? When soldiers invade/occupy your land, what will you do? Being a coward probably flee I'd say, but for real men, the only choice is to resist and expel them.

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Re: Norweigan journalist warms to the Talibaan
Reply #25 - Apr 30^th, 2011 at 9:26pm

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 30^th, 2011 at 5:01pm:

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Abu, I'm trying to get across the idea that IF they'd attack the convoys 3 or 4 k's down the road

Firstly I'm pretty sure most of the attacks occur more than 3 or 4 km from their own homes. Secondly, so what you go do it next to someone elses village/home, and then they bomb them? You can't seem to grasp that the entire country is under invasion/occupation, you have little choice but to resist them wherever you can.

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then ALL the drone bombers and missiles in the world wouldn't have hit the village....because they'd have been fired at the attack site, not the nearest village...

Most drone attacks are based on tip offs and other "intelligence", they're not a direct response to an immediate engagement. They specifically target the homes of people they have been informed are commanders, whether or not a direct engagement has even been verified with that person.

It is nothing but barbarity, and you only erode your own humanity by supporting it.

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And the responsibility for the deaths of the women and children are shared equally between the Afghans AND the Coalition forces....

No! It's solely on those who've traveled half way round the world to murder innocents to maintain their dominance over a volatile and resource rich region.

Don't try to share the blame on the victims and their families, that is just despicable behaviour on your part.

...abu-- the very reason Islam and Muslims are becoming more hated in this country.
Perhaps you should bugger off and live with your terrorist mates- that way we'd have every justification for taking you out.

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Re: Norweigan journalist warms to the Talibaan
Reply #26 - May 1^st, 2011 at 12:14am

Islam and Muslims are not becoming more hated, in fact day by day Islam is growing amongst average Aussies like myself.

What you mean is that racist hatemongers are becoming more emboldened in expressing their hatred of any non-Anglo Aussies, Muslims often being a favourite target, as you can hide behind the guise of "I'm just opposing terrorism, not Muslims" or "Islam is a religion not a race".

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Kenny New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13	Re: Norweigan journalist warms to the Talibaan Reply #28 - May 1^st, 2011 at 8:07pm abu you are a dreamer keep dreaming
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Norweigan journalist warms to the Talibaan Reply #29 - May 1^st, 2011 at 10:08pm Quote: abu you are a dreamer And I'm not the only one. I hope some day you'll join us.
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