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Reply #45 - May 4th, 2011 at 1:57am
 

So we are told -  
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I won't repeat my comments on another thread, about ' a media hoax'..  .

Feckless and illusory as it may seem - the US public NEED something to cheer about,  and the US government has to start looking to its own economic wellness.  War has always been a good well paying capitalistic opportunity - up until now.   But now is not like the past.

Bobby is probably right in that they can now leave Afghanistan with some sort of symbolic victory.
Of course the Taliban are the main problem in Afghanistan, not OBL and EQ, -  seems  pretty clear from News over the yrs that EQ is Saudi based - not that the facts ever mean anything in this sort of conflict.! Sad
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Reply #46 - May 4th, 2011 at 6:37am
 
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I see a lot of open celebrating of this mans death, I wonder how those celebrating will feel, when his followers use it as an excuse to kill more innocents.


They're allowed to celebrate it because they're Americans. When their family members die, they actually feel sorrow and grief, not like those Muslims, when their family members die it's just normal for them. They have no rights to revenge, to closure, to justice, to safety, only Americans do, since they are the only worthy humans in this world.
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Reply #47 - May 4th, 2011 at 6:52am
 
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Feckless and illusory as it may seem - the US public NEED something to cheer about,  and the US government has to start looking to its own economic wellness.  War has always been a good well paying capitalistic opportunity - up until now.   But now is not like the past.


I agree, but there has to be a reason for this circus and the obvious conclusion would be justification in continuing or creating another war.

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They're allowed to celebrate it because they're Americans. When their family members die, they actually feel sorrow and grief, not like those Muslims, when their family members die it's just normal for them. They have no rights to revenge, to closure, to justice, to safety, only Americans do, since they are the only worthy humans in this world.  


It tends to look this way Abu. The Americans have a different mindset to the rest of the world. Their excessive consumption far exceeds their production and if it means destroying nations and people to feed their greed, regardless of whether they can pay for it - they'll do it no matter what the cost to human life or the environment.

Perhaps I'll be vilified for saying this but I felt regret that Osama's life ended this way, if it is in fact true - especially when they tried to justify it by saying he may have pushed his wife or child in the line of fire to protect himself. No proof - just more fuel to justify their act.

As some of the others have stated - he should have had a trial, not that it would have been fair - but it would have given us a little faith in the actions of the US.
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Reply #48 - May 4th, 2011 at 7:47am
 
abu_rashid wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 6:37am:
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I see a lot of open celebrating of this mans death, I wonder how those celebrating will feel, when his followers use it as an excuse to kill more innocents.


They're allowed to celebrate it because they're Americans. When their family members die, they actually feel sorrow and grief, not like those Muslims, when their family members die it's just normal for them.
They [i.e. moslems] have no rights to revenge, to closure, to justice, to safety, only Americans do, since they are the only worthy humans in this world.






That is a very cynical statement to make Abu, considering that [perhaps ? ] millions of moslems, have been accepted into infidel lands, and that many of those moslems claimed to be fleeing oppression in their own homelands.

And that many of those moslem immigrants were accepted, by the West, as people seeking sanctuary


I, sincerely, do not believe in, or endorse the cynical assertion which you made, above.

But i do not accept that moslems should have the right to live in the West and then, be permitted to practise their religion, as though they were living [for example] in Saudi Arabia.

If moslems themselves, wish to live in the West, then moslems should be willing to abandon those aspects of ISLAMIC life, which clash with the laws and culture of their host nation.

If moslems wish to live as though they are devout moslems, and be able to practice all of their 'religious' 'rights', and the moslem law, then those people, should leave the West, and go to live in a moslem nation.
And i include those people who are Western born converts, who assume the moslem religion and laws.



For example, ISLAMIC custom AND LAW, gives moslems the right to end the life of their children.

We in the West reject such, what is the term, 'religious freedoms'.




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Moslems living in the West, can surely accept that it is merely JUSTICE, that we expect moslems living in the West should integrate fully with our culture, and accept the culture of the West, in just the same way as Mohammed insisted that non-moslems living in Arabia must accept ISLAM, OR LEAVE ARABIA....

And here the words of Mohammed, speaking to Arabian Jews, about the consequence for their rejection of ISLAM...

"You should Know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to exile you from,,, this land, so whoever among you owns some property, can sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #009.085.077
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.053.392



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Reply #49 - May 4th, 2011 at 8:33am
 
Deborahmac09 wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 1:24am:
Yes bobby, but none of us presume he was innocent.

I just want to know how he can get a fair trial and then hanged in the same sentence.



Because at least that's what they did for Saddam.
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Reply #50 - May 4th, 2011 at 8:58am
 
Bobby. wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 8:33am:
Deborahmac09 wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 1:24am:
Yes bobby, but none of us presume he was innocent.

I just want to know how he can get a fair trial and then hanged in the same sentence.



Because at least that's what they did for Saddam.



At least he seems to have been treated with more dignaty than Saddam was. What happened at Saddams execution was a bloody disgrace, and it was done by his own countrymen. Where as Mr Benladden, had no countrymen. Not even his country of birth or family wanted his body.

Please do not misunderstand me. I do not feel sorry this man is dead, but I am aware, that this will not stop the slaughter, and may well cause more.
There is one way to stop these people, and if we were to do that, then we would be them.
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Reply #51 - May 4th, 2011 at 9:11am
 
skippy. wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 9:04am:
bin liner didn't deserve dignity he was a terrorist piece of sh it.



yes skippy, it is easier to think that way. Most of us do.
Then we need to ask ourself what is the difference between this man and the rest of us. If our open celebrating of his death causes more attacks, then we could be seen to be responsable in some eyes for mass deaths.
I don't want to see more innocent people suffer or die because I marched up and down the street chanting because he is dead, or made stupid statements. What is reported by the media and how people react to this is going to cause more attacks on more innocent people. But I guess that will not matter, because the monster is dead. Sorry, but the monster will never be dead, because his idea's live on.
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Reply #52 - May 4th, 2011 at 9:17am
 
Deborahmac09 wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 9:11am:
skippy. wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 9:04am:
bin liner didn't deserve dignity he was a terrorist piece of sh it.



yes skippy, it is easier to think that way. Most of us do.
Then we need to ask ourself what is the difference between this man and the rest of us. If our open celebrating of his death causes more attacks, then we could be seen to be responsable in some eyes for mass deaths.
I don't want to see more innocent people suffer or die because I marched up and down the street chanting because he is dead, or made stupid statements. What is reported by the media and how people react to this is going to cause more attacks on more innocent people. But I guess that will not matter, because the monster is dead. Sorry, but the monster will never be dead, because his idea's live on.

I agree with everything you've written. But, I still say he deserved no dignity in life or death.
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Reply #53 - May 4th, 2011 at 10:35am
 
abu_rashid wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 6:37am:
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I see a lot of open celebrating of this mans death, I wonder how those celebrating will feel, when his followers use it as an excuse to kill more innocents.


They're allowed to celebrate it because they're Americans. When their family members die, they actually feel sorrow and grief, not like those Muslims, when their family members die it's just normal for them. They have no rights to revenge, to closure, to justice, to safety, only Americans do, since they are the only worthy humans in this world.



Except this is not about him being muslim, it is about him being a terrorist and using his idea of what god is to slaughter innocent peoples. Many of those victims were Muslim. Just not his idea of Muslim.
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Reply #54 - May 4th, 2011 at 10:54am
 
skippy. wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 9:04am:
bin liner didn't deserve dignity he was a terrorist piece of sh it. But Abu still condones him, Abu is not to be trusted either.I hope the feds keep a watchful eye on that terrorist sympathiser too.


Abu is a traitor.

He deleted my post yesterday which said the same thing.
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Reply #55 - May 4th, 2011 at 11:06am
 
Bobby. wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 10:54am:
skippy. wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 9:04am:
bin liner didn't deserve dignity he was a terrorist piece of sh it. But Abu still condones him, Abu is not to be trusted either.I hope the feds keep a watchful eye on that terrorist sympathiser too.


Abu is a traitor.

He deleted my post yesterday which said the same thing.

yea he'll delete this too when he drags his terrorist condoning sorry ass in here.
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Reply #57 - May 4th, 2011 at 12:09pm
 
skippy. wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 11:06am:
Bobby. wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 10:54am:
skippy. wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 9:04am:
bin liner didn't deserve dignity he was a terrorist piece of sh it. But Abu still condones him, Abu is not to be trusted either.I hope the feds keep a watchful eye on that terrorist sympathiser too.


Abu is a traitor.

He deleted my post yesterday which said the same thing.

yea he'll delete this too when he drags his terrorist condoning sorry ass in here.


What we need to remember is that, someone else's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
However Mr Binladden was not a freedom fighter, he was fighting for no homeland.
If you really beleive that he condones terrrorism for any reason, then you should all think about boycotting his board. Or maybe you don't really care enough afterall.
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Reply #58 - May 4th, 2011 at 12:32pm
 
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If you really beleive that he condones terrrorism for any reason, then you should all think about boycotting his board. Or maybe you don't really care enough afterall. 
   


Oh I do boycott this forum usually, I'm just here to rub his nose in the smelly sh it that is extremist religion, in this case Islam. I'm here to rub salt into the wounds.
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Reply #59 - May 4th, 2011 at 12:59pm
 
skippy. wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 11:06am:
Bobby. wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 10:54am:
skippy. wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 9:04am:
bin liner didn't deserve dignity he was a terrorist piece of sh it. But Abu still condones him, Abu is not to be trusted either.I hope the feds keep a watchful eye on that terrorist sympathiser too.


Abu is a traitor.

He deleted my post yesterday which said the same thing.

yea he'll delete this too when he drags his terrorist condoning sorry ass in here.



Of course he'll delete what we've written.
He wants only his views on here.
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