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Re: Osama dead
Reply #75 - May 6^th, 2011 at 1:21pm

Yadda wrote on May 6^th, 2011 at 10:10am:

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 7:21pm:

freediver wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 6:35pm:

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Words should never keep wars going or cause them, but they do.

Especially if some groups believe death is a fair punishment for insulting the prophet.

No arguement there from me.
I however see no purpose in stiring the pot, knowing that words will cause more senceless deaths. But hey, it is never the fault of those who purposly stir the pot knowing what will happen is it?

Threats, and intimidation, and violence, made by wicked evil men, to achieve aims, works.

THAT, is your philosophy of life.

Deborahmac09,

You do not deserve to live as a free person, in an open society, with rights.

People like you would sell your grandparents to knackers yards, would sell their sisters to pimps, and would sell their liberty and rights for a promise of peace.

You are a slave, and that is all you will ever be.

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None can love freedom so heartily, but good men; the rest have not freedom, but licence.
John Hamilton

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin

The difference between a free man and a slave is that a slave values his life more than his freedom...
John Norman

Apparently you beleive that your freedom to do and say whatever you like is worth more than someone else's life. I do not.

You are the one selling out your grandparents and everyone else because you don't care that what you say or do can and does hurt other people.
You do not even take responsibility for that.

I do not live free! I think about what I am going to say and do and the consequences, then I weigh it up.

Th problem is most of you don't think about the consequences let alone weigh them up. Tell me, are your children's lives worth you keeping your mouth shut! Most of you, I bet no. How nice of you to make that choice for them!

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Re: Osama dead
Reply #76 - May 6^th, 2011 at 1:23pm

Yadda wrote on May 6^th, 2011 at 10:10am:

[quote author=Deborahmac09 link=1304307981/60#66 Threats, and intimidation, and violence, made by wicked evil men, to achieve aims, works.

THAT, is your philosophy of life.

Deborahmac09,

You do not deserve to live as a free person, in an open society, with rights.

People like you would sell your grandparents to knackers yards, would sell their sisters to pimps, and would sell their liberty and rights for a promise of peace.

You are a slave, and that is all you will ever be.

You come across as a terrorist yourself Yadda - but a Christian one. It's not a pretty sight.

People are entitled to expess their views without your personal insults.

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Reply #77 - May 6^th, 2011 at 1:46pm

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 6^th, 2011 at 1:21pm:

Yadda wrote on May 6^th, 2011 at 10:10am:

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 7:21pm:

No arguement there from me.
I however see no purpose in stiring the pot, knowing that words will cause more senceless deaths. But hey, it is never the fault of those who purposly stir the pot knowing what will happen is it?

Threats, and intimidation, and violence, made by wicked evil men, to achieve aims, works.

THAT, is your philosophy of life.

Deborahmac09,

You do not deserve to live as a free person, in an open society, with rights.

People like you would sell your grandparents to knackers yards, would sell their sisters to pimps, and would sell their liberty and rights for a promise of peace.

You are a slave, and that is all you will ever be.

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None can love freedom so heartily, but good men; the rest have not freedom, but licence.
John Hamilton

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin

The difference between a free man and a slave is that a slave values his life more than his freedom...
John Norman

Apparently you beleive that your freedom to do and say whatever you like is worth more than someone else's life. I do not.

You are the one selling out your grandparents and everyone else because you don't care that what you say or do can and does hurt other people.
You do not even take responsibility for that.

I do not live free! I think about what I am going to think and do and the consequences, then I weigh it up.

Th problem is most of you don't think about the consequences let alone weigh them up. Tell me, are your children's lives worth you keeping your mouth shut! Most of you, I bet no. How nice of you to make that choice for them!

You stand for nothing.

You endorse nothing,
.....except protecting your own [and your family's] safety.

IMO, you are a moral pimp.

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The 'prophet' of ISLAM said that, a persons silence is [their] consent, [their] agreement [with what is happening].

Google;
mohammed silence is consent

July 12, 2008
Pakistan: Christian girls kidnapped; captors file for custody, claiming girls converted to Islam
And the police weren't about to be of any help without outside pressure: The girls' father "was told to 'remain silent,' as the officers said the girls had embraced Islam in a written statement."
"Pakistan: Girls kidnapped, allegedly forced to convert,"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/021731.php

"The girls' father "was told to 'remain silent,' "

July 14, 2008
Pakistan: 13- and 10-year-old girls abducted, raped, and forced into the fold of Islam
More Christian girls being forced to convert to the religion of peace. As this report notes, the Muslim majority, including the police, are either actively or passively aiding the abductors, a common phenomenon in Muslim majority countries, such as Egypt, where Coptic girls are regularly abducted.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/021760.php

update....

July 20, 2008
Pakistan: Court grants custody of Christian girls to Muslim kidnappers
Because they converted to Islam, you see. More on this story. "Pakistan: Court Grants Custody of Girls to Kidnappers," from Compass Direct News, July 18:
ISTANBUL, July 18 (Compass Direct News) A Pakistani couple has appealed a court decision to award custody of their two daughters, 10 and 13, to the children’s alleged kidnappers. The court based its custody decision on the girls’ conversion to Islam.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/021866.php

January 14, 2009
Pakistan: Christian girls drugged, coverted to Islam, sold as sex slaves
Muslim men are permitted to have sex with the "captives their right hands possess" (Qur'an 4:24). "Christian Girls Drugged and Sold As Sex Slaves in Pakistan," from AINA, January 13:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/024393.php

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Deborahmac09,

I sincerely wish that these two Christian girls had been your own children.

Then perhaps you would more perfectly understand your error.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #79 - May 6^th, 2011 at 2:27pm

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 6^th, 2011 at 1:58pm:

Wishing evil on someone else's children. Says so much about you.

Deborahmac09,

I know that you don't really mean that.

Because as you assert, we should never say things which may offend others, and cause them to act violently.
/sarc off

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Deborahmac09 wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 7:21pm:

No arguement there from me.
I however see no purpose in stiring the pot, knowing that words will cause more senceless deaths. But hey, it is never the fault of those who purposly stir the pot knowing what will happen is it?

IMO,
Words, do not 'cause', are not THE cause, of violence.

IMO, human violence is the result of human insanity.

And personally, i regard all examples of directed violence as not just criminality, but as proof of insanity.

And i would suggest [that as a measure of real sanity, is] that sane ppl don't engage in wanton violence.

A MEASURE OF 'SANITY'.....

I believe that typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself and, or, others around him.

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If you want to see many examples of wanton violence and insanity....

THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: Osama dead Reply #80 - May 6^th, 2011 at 2:27pm Quote: Wishing evil on someone else's children. It looks like he's lost the plot Deborah and is using some sort of voodoo. Unfortunately this sort of devil worship by Christians is still active in some of the backwater African nations - but it's unusual to see it out in the open here in Australia.
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Re: Osama dead
Reply #81 - May 6^th, 2011 at 2:40pm

Yadda wrote on May 6^th, 2011 at 2:27pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 6^th, 2011 at 1:58pm:

Wishing evil on someone else's children. Says so much about you.

Deborahmac09,

I know that you don't really mean that.

Because as you assert, we should never say things which may offend others, and cause them to act violently.
/sarc off

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Deborahmac09 wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 7:21pm:

No arguement there from me.
I however see no purpose in stiring the pot, knowing that words will cause more senceless deaths. But hey, it is never the fault of those who purposly stir the pot knowing what will happen is it?

IMO,
Words, do not 'cause', are not THE cause, of violence.

IMO, human violence is the result of human insanity.

And personally, i regard all examples of directed violence as not just criminality, but as proof of insanity.

And i would suggest [that as a measure of real sanity, is] that sane ppl don't engage in wanton violence.

A MEASURE OF 'SANITY'.....

I believe that typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself and, or, others around him.

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If you want to see many examples of wanton violence and insanity....

THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Cut the crap, you wished harm on my daughter(s).
As a survivor of one of the horrors you described and wished on them, this conversation is over!

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Reply #82 - May 6^th, 2011 at 7:53pm

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 10:13pm:

freediver wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 10:06pm:

So you support self censorship as a response to attacks on freedom of speech?

If it means saving lives. Especially lives I have no right to endanger. Sometimes holding one's tongue is the right thing to do. Otherwise, I too would be responsable for mass deaths.
There is a difference to sensoring oneself, and making open ended statements without thought of consequences. Politicians do that too often. Putting mouth into gear before brain is engaged.

Deb I started a nbew thread here:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1304675544

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Osama dead Reply #83 - May 6^th, 2011 at 9:15pm Yadda you are a disgusting excuse for a human being. Retract these despicable statements to Deborah immediately
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38770 Gender:	Re: Osama dead Reply #84 - May 6^th, 2011 at 10:53pm abu_rashid wrote on May 6^th, 2011 at 9:15pm: Yadda you are a disgusting excuse for a human being. Retract these despicable statements to Deborah immediately ....and Bin Laden is the quintessential excuse.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105369 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Osama dead Reply #85 - May 6^th, 2011 at 11:14pm Dear Abu, I bet you are glad that Osama is now dead after he hijacked your peace loving religion to kill innocent people?
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Reply #86 - May 7^th, 2011 at 8:02am

Aussie, leave aside all the emotional baggage programmed into you by the dishonest media over the past 10-15 years, and go and read a bit about his life. Even his supposed death has turned out to be a classic Maxwell Smart episode on the part of the propagandists in America. We've gone from a long drawn out firefight, where he "cowardly" threw himself behind his wife and was taken out due to his refusal to surrender, which was watched attentively by the "team" back in Washington, to an unarmed man and his wife being callously shot whilst offering no resistance whatsoever, and the video link to home not even being operational.

Everything about this event, is symbolic of the image we've been fed of the man himself (ie. it's all lies designed to exonerate Americans and defame Usamah). He was the bravest most honourable fighter who expelled a superpower from the lands of his fellow Muslims, sacrificing his wealth, health and safety for them. And this time he just happened to pick on the superpower you consider a mate, and so you rubbish him like this.

You are an ignorant fool and I pity you. Wake up and look at the reality of his life.

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Reply #87 - May 7^th, 2011 at 8:10am

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Aussie, leave aside all the emotional baggage programmed into you by the dishonest media over the past 10-15 years

You left out the bit about the Jews owning the media.

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to an unarmed man and his wife being callously shot whilst offering no resistance whatsoever

So all his mates shooting back was totally unrelated to him?

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He was the bravest most honourable fighter who expelled a superpower from the lands of his fellow Muslims

You mean Russia?

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Reply #88 - May 7^th, 2011 at 8:19am

Bobby, Islam is not the "religion of peace", this is your little strawman, which it seems you're quite content to hack away at.

Islam is the religion for people, and people do engage in both war and peace, and so Islam deals with both, although it states that peace is better and being the aggressor is bad, being the defender is not though.

Usamah was a defender, he responded in kind to those who have been slaughtering Muslims for decades, and I honestly can't understand how you can fault him on that, other than by subscribing to the hypocritical idea that Western lives are worth more than Muslim lives. That's why the U.S are celebrating, that's why they've waged this propaganda campaign against him, because they subscribe to that idea.

Do you subscribe to it too?

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Reply #89 - May 7^th, 2011 at 8:22am

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So all his mates shooting back was totally unrelated to him?

The "current revision" of the story is that the man they trailed into the compound returned fire, and was instantly neutralised, after which the rest of the operation was without resistance, as I described above.

Personally I don't think even half the "true" story is out yet. The idea that they executed him, rather than take him prisoner and torture him for information, as they've done with so many others, just doesn't add up at all. The supposed "quick burial at sea" line is going to end up another of the "fog of war inaccuracies" by the time we actually get a more accurate picture I think.

But this is normal when getting information from habitual liars.

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You mean Russia?

The Soviets yes... who else?

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