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Reply #15 - May 5^th, 2011 at 10:52am

Verge wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 10:49am:

Jesus, its hard enough dealing with a 5 month old.

My wife is raising our daughter, spending countless hours with her on her development and wellbeing, does the 3am feed every night and looks after our house.

If anyone out of us has a full time job its her. Kids are hard work, you cant just stick them in a chair and disappear for the day.

My wife would spend hours a day with her on things like reading to her, and managing her development in things like strength etc.

I think its good they want to help teenage mums get an education, but threatening to take welfare off them in exchange for it is obsurd. I dont see them doing it to any other group.

Just another government attack on a soft target. Anyone who undervalues the work of a mother needs a solid kick in the backside.

I agree.
We have a 2 year old and a 7 month old.
There is absolutely no way my wife could go back to work right now.

I always go by the fact that people who don't have children, don't understand what it entails to have them.
We never really had a clue pre late 2008.

It is noticeable Julia Gillard is neither married nor has children.

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Reply #16 - May 5^th, 2011 at 10:56am

Verge wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 10:49am:

I think its good they want to help teenage mums get an education, but threatening to take welfare off them in exchange for it is obsurd. I dont see them doing it to any other group.

Just another government attack on a soft target. Anyone who undervalues the work of a mother needs a solid kick in the backside.

Most young mothers would feel the same way about separating from their baby as mature mothers would. Going back to school straight away is almost as bad as going back to work. Babies and mothers need each other at least for the first few months, if not years. It's a sad indictment of our society that it's taken for granted that mothers and babies should be separated so quickly after birth.

One excellent solution would be to stop the baby bonus - that would dramatically reduce the incentive for many young girls to have babies.

I don't think this new proposal is going to be as easy as Gillard thinks it is.

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Reply #17 - May 5^th, 2011 at 10:59am

mantra wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 10:56am:

Verge wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 10:49am:

I think its good they want to help teenage mums get an education, but threatening to take welfare off them in exchange for it is obsurd. I dont see them doing it to any other group.

Just another government attack on a soft target. Anyone who undervalues the work of a mother needs a solid kick in the backside.

Most young mothers would feel the same way about separating from their baby as mature mothers would. Going back to school straight away is almost as bad as going back to work. Babies and mothers need each other at least for the first few months, if not years. It's a sad indictment of our society that it's taken for granted that mothers and babies should be separated so quickly.

One excellent solution would be to stop the baby bonus - that would dramatically reduce the incentive for many young girls to have babies.

I don't think this new proposal is going to be as easy as Gillard thinks it is.

I remember reading that teenage pregnancies had not increased in the last 5 years from the prior 5, and had gone down.

I dont think the baby bonus has had an impact since there has been an actual decrease.

Education on things like safe sex is far more important.

Have you ever noticed simple things like income tax and then budgeting etc are not taught in schools? If kids had a better understanding of things like mortgages, banking, income tax, and then household budgeting and costs we would be able to do more for them then letting them loose.

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Reply #18 - May 5^th, 2011 at 11:00am

mantra wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 10:56am:

One excellent solution would be to stop the baby bonus - that would dramatically reduce the incentive for many young girls to have babies.

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Do you really seriously think people have children just to get $5k in welfare???

We spent our baby bonus within months of our girl being born.

Now think through a child's life -
Clothes
Meals
School Fees
Holiday expense
Healthcare expense
Additional living expense in the home

It runs into hundreds of thousands of dollars!!

Now if someone has a child for $5k - then bugger me they are either dumb or well, no they are just dumb.

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Reply #19 - May 5^th, 2011 at 11:06am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 11:00am:

mantra wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 10:56am:

One excellent solution would be to stop the baby bonus - that would dramatically reduce the incentive for many young girls to have babies.

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Do you really seriously think people have children just to get $5k in welfare???

We spent our baby bonus within months of our girl being born.

Now think through a child's life -
Clothes
Meals
School Fees
Holiday expense
Healthcare expense
Additional living expense in the home

It runs into hundreds of thousands of dollars!!

Now if someone has a child for $5k - then bugger me they are either dumb or well, no they are just dumb.

Too many people don't look that far ahead Andrei. The word is not dumb, it is ignorant.

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Reply #20 - May 5^th, 2011 at 11:09am

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 11:06am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 11:00am:

mantra wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 10:56am:

One excellent solution would be to stop the baby bonus - that would dramatically reduce the incentive for many young girls to have babies.

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Do you really seriously think people have children just to get $5k in welfare???

We spent our baby bonus within months of our girl being born.

Now think through a child's life -
Clothes
Meals
School Fees
Holiday expense
Healthcare expense
Additional living expense in the home

It runs into hundreds of thousands of dollars!!

Now if someone has a child for $5k - then bugger me they are either dumb or well, no they are just dumb.

Too many people don't look that far ahead Andrei. The word is not dumb, it is ignorant.

As evidenced by the family we saw in the furniture shop who clearly didn't have a lot of money and we're purchasing a suite for $5k all on 100% buy now, pay later credit.

Silly, silly people.

I don't know why people live like they do.

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Reply #21 - May 5^th, 2011 at 11:11am

<<Do you really seriously think people have children just to get $5k in welfare???

We spent our baby bonus within months of our girl being born.>>
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You said you used the baby bonus for your first born to renew your golf club membership....remember? and if you had a second baby soon after, and considering it was also a girl, you would need very little in the way of baby items.

Your memory is letting you down Walter Embarrassed

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Reply #22 - May 5^th, 2011 at 11:16am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 11:11am:

<<Do you really seriously think people have children just to get $5k in welfare???

We spent our baby bonus within months of our girl being born.>>
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You said you used the baby bonus for your first born to renew your golf club membership....remember? and if you had a second baby soon after, and considering it was also a girl, you would need very little in the way of baby items.

Your memory is letting you down Walter Embarrassed

Wrong, wrong and wrong again.
I was joking, jeez.

The golf membership did come up similar times but the baby bonus was used to buy baby clothes/items etc.
Bear in mind, before we were a working couple who had no children.
How many cots, baby seats, baby clothes etc do you think we had????

Why are you so against people getting help and assistance?????

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: TEENAGE parents Could lose welfare payments Reply #23 - May 5^th, 2011 at 11:17am Our second child was born in the United States in 2010 and we received no baby bonus (nor applied) for that one. We have received ONE bonus of $5k from the Family Assistance office when we had our first little girl in 2008.
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Reply #24 - May 5^th, 2011 at 11:20am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 11:00am:

mantra wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 10:56am:

One excellent solution would be to stop the baby bonus - that would dramatically reduce the incentive for many young girls to have babies.

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Do you really seriously think people have children just to get $5k in welfare??

Yes - it's a well known fact that people have babies because of the bonus. Andrei - if you hadn't received that baby bonus - you would have surived quite well and still given your children the best money could buy.

On the other hand there are plenty of young girls - children really, junkies etc. who carry their baby to full term just to get that $5,000. Quite often the baby is discarded or neglected when the money has been blown on rubbish for the girl and hits for the junky.

If you have a baby it should be because it's planned for and wanted even though you can't provide it with a state of the art stroller or a private school. You can give it the loving home it deserves without the pretty wrapping paper.

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Reply #25 - May 5^th, 2011 at 11:21am

<<Why are you so against people getting help and assistance?????>>
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You change the script more than Barack Obama. I'm not against people getting assistance. I'm against wealthfare. I'm against the government supporting people who don't need support.

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Reply #27 - May 5^th, 2011 at 11:23am

... wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 11:21am:

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Why are you so against people getting help and assistance?????

Anyone who hasn't had a child in the last 5-10 years is against the baby bonus. It seems if they're not getting it, noone should!

A sad and true fact.
A lot of people seem to be against things, that they don't get.

I think it is the "What about me?" view of the world.

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Reply #28 - May 5^th, 2011 at 11:28am

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Anyone who hasn't had a child in the last 5-10 years is against the baby bonus. It seems if they're not getting it, noone should!

A sad and true fact.
A lot of people seem to be against things, that they don't get.

I think it is the "What about me?" view of the world.

That's where you have got it wrong. You can see the difference in the care of children raised without the bonus. You lot have a welfare mentality regardless of how wealthy you claim to be.

I have children old enough to have babies if that's what they wanted. Fortunately they aren't tempted by a bribe of $5,000 although many of their peers have been.

The teenage pregnancies in most areas have escalated and I have never seen such mass produced, uneducated, neglected and poverty stricken children before. In a few years the state schools will not be able to cope with the influx of dysfunctional children - nor will society.

Look at the long term ramifications - not just the immediate dollar sign and the goodies you can buy with it.

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Reply #29 - May 5^th, 2011 at 11:31am

We had children when I was 31 and my wife was 30.

If there had been no $5k bonus (and there wasn't for us most of the time in the UK) - we would still have picked that time.

We owned a home, we had built up considerable savings and we correctly placed to provide for the child.

Now you cannot tell me that people would opt to have a baby, when before they weren't, just because they will get $5k.

That's simply rubbish.
That is not how people live.

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