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Re: TEENAGE parents Could lose welfare payments
Reply #75 - May 7^th, 2011 at 9:48am

Sappho wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 9:25am:

Bobby. wrote on May 6^th, 2011 at 10:20am:

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I had my first child at 16 and my second at 17.

And you expected & got the taxpayer to pick up the tab for your irresponsibility.
How could you bring children into the world when you
had no means to support them?

I earn a damn fine wage, more than I need even, and have done just that for over 10 years. My tax receipts have already repaid my welfare assistance. I now pay for the welfare assistance of other families and have done for a few years. That is the nature of the social contract... we help those in need, we give back to society what we take from it.

I don't have a problem with that... but clearly you do.

Maybe you're an unusual example?
I am old fashioned in that I don't agree that any woman should have children
unless there is a Father there willing to work to support them.
It's just too easy for the taxpayer to pick up the tab.

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Re: TEENAGE parents Could lose welfare payments
Reply #76 - May 7^th, 2011 at 9:59am

Bobby. wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 9:48am:

Sappho wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 9:25am:

Bobby. wrote on May 6^th, 2011 at 10:20am:

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I had my first child at 16 and my second at 17.

And you expected & got the taxpayer to pick up the tab for your irresponsibility.
How could you bring children into the world when you
had no means to support them?

I earn a damn fine wage, more than I need even, and have done just that for over 10 years. My tax receipts have already repaid my welfare assistance. I now pay for the welfare assistance of other families and have done for a few years. That is the nature of the social contract... we help those in need, we give back to society what we take from it.

I don't have a problem with that... but clearly you do.

Maybe you're an unusual example?
I am old fashioned in that I don't agree that any woman should have children
unless there is a Father there willing to work to support them.
It's just too easy for the taxpayer to pick up the tab.

No... I'm not so unusual. There are lots of Adult Men who prey upon teen girls... one example of that is in the media as we speak. You may not realise it, but it is very easy to suck in a young teen girl, as a grown man, through gaining that girl's sympathy with a hard luck story.

And there was a father for my children... a violently abusive father, from whom I escaped with my children before it was too late.

Further, that he chose not to support his children in any way was beyond my control... and before the child support laws were enacted.

We have welfare dependency because the uneducated are unknowing and lacking in self esteem and personal power.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 105379 Melbourne Gender:	Re: TEENAGE parents Could lose welfare payments Reply #77 - May 7^th, 2011 at 10:15am Sappho, I agree with you & I'm glad that it all worked out so well.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: TEENAGE parents Could lose welfare payments Reply #78 - May 7^th, 2011 at 10:19am Bobby. wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 10:15am: Sappho, I agree with you & I'm glad that it all worked out so well. I agree with Bobby.
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 105379 Melbourne Gender:	Re: TEENAGE parents Could lose welfare payments Reply #79 - May 7^th, 2011 at 10:24am Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 10:19am: Bobby. wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 10:15am: Sappho, I agree with you & I'm glad that it all worked out so well. I agree with Bobby. Ohh Andrei - we are getting very chummy lately!
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Re: TEENAGE parents Could lose welfare payments
Reply #80 - May 7^th, 2011 at 10:39am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 10:19am:

Bobby. wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 10:15am:

Sappho,
I agree with you & I'm glad that it all worked out so well.

I agree with Bobby.

It did work out well... the welfare cycle started and ended with me. My children, in seeing me get an education and move into the work force was a lesson by example that society must be engaged actively and not lived in the fringes such as happens with generational welfare dependency.

My children are now in their mid/late 20s and have never claimed a welfare payment beyond youth allowance when studying. Both work, although my daughter is now on maternity leave to have her second child. She will return to work as she did with her first child.

My story and the upbringing of my children is THE story that we should want for all teen mums and their kids. Knowledge IS power. So, if we need to force teens back into education in order that they can have that personal power which we all take for granted... so be it.

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Re: TEENAGE parents Could lose welfare payments
Reply #81 - May 7^th, 2011 at 11:55am

There is still so much capitalist class intergenerational welfare dependency on the working class and the reality is he working class is not forever going to provide it for non producers living in luxury, waging wars, bullying the disadvantaged at the tax payers expense and playing football. Also - the working class tires of the capitalist class foul parasitic values and telling everyone how they are expected to live while they commit atrocity after atrocity.

Capitalist headline after their most recent assassination of an as yet unidentified man in Pakistan...

'ROT IN HELL'

The working class and poor have no question to answer to this class of warmongering murdering thugs.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: TEENAGE parents Could lose welfare payments Reply #82 - May 7^th, 2011 at 12:09pm Bill you really are a dead-set crackpot mate.
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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: TEENAGE parents Could lose welfare payments Reply #83 - May 7^th, 2011 at 12:15pm Reported for personal abuse I just dont like thugs thats all and I do not negotiate or comply with them. Arlo Guthrie & Pete Seeger/ This Land Is Your Land
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: TEENAGE parents Could lose welfare payments Reply #84 - May 7^th, 2011 at 12:44pm The amount of times you report people, its any wonder you have time to post your rubbish?
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Reply #85 - May 7^th, 2011 at 1:21pm

Woody Guthrie - All you Fascists bound to Lose

Laugh it up, we are breeding, multiplying and organizing while you fascists - well, you have the economic crises, your threats, your fears and you are just not quite sure who to kill next to protect democracy.

you heading for the dustbin of history boy - enjoy the ride because we have had enough of your kind and wont be listening any more. Grin

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