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Reply #225 - Dec 11th, 2012 at 11:01am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 9th, 2012 at 5:23am:
That black is evil white is good thing came from star wars though not the xtian bible.


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Reply #226 - Dec 11th, 2012 at 11:31am
 
Spot's at least 2,000 years out.

The Latin terms malus and hic niger est denote blacks as untrustworthy, bad etc. Whereas candidus means white, good, pure, bright, beautiful etc.

In Gaelic as well, fin or Fin-Gal was the term used to denote blonde-headed nobles in contradistinction to the dark, black-haired aboriginals.

The Jews as well have the derogatory term ham in the Talmud for the blacks.

I would surmise that Star Wars actually got their ideas from European and Jewish etymology and culture.
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Reply #227 - Dec 11th, 2012 at 12:35pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 11th, 2012 at 11:31am:
Spot's at least 2,000 years out.

The Latin terms malus and hic niger est denote blacks as untrustworthy, bad etc. Whereas candidus means white, good, pure, bright, beautiful etc.

In Gaelic as well, fin or Fin-Gal was the term used to denote blonde-headed nobles in contradistinction to the dark, black-haired aboriginals.

The Jews as well have the derogatory term ham in the Talmud for the blacks.

I would surmise that Star Wars actually got their ideas from European and Jewish etymology and culture.


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Reply #228 - Dec 11th, 2012 at 4:56pm
 
Actuall Star Wars got a lot of its stuff from Asimov.
C3PO & R2D2 ripped off Daneel & Giskard ...and Michael from the recent Prometheus is fullfilling that 'Daneel' role quite well.
In Asia, the White male is the Evil and the Black male is the Good. Hence why the character or Roy Batty in BladeRunner as the 'White Slave' fitted in so well amongst all the Asian 'Citi-Zens'. Also why Asia's economies are doing well without being imperialistic cheats like Americans or having a small population like Australia where its women run the country. Tongue

Anyway - God is real. Why?
Because people believe.

Even now, Marvel Comic Heroes are being created as USA's Gods akin to the old Roman, Greek, Valhalla gods of old, but in Temples called Cinemas.
Batman is real. Americans believe him to be so and even kill, massacre in that belief. Of course its stupid ...BUT IT IS REAL.
Batman exists!

Jules Verne wrote of Submarines and Airships and Americans 'believed' and thus they became REAL.

If Humanity created an Android called 'Daneel' and via all the technology in the world, like computers - where WE, THE PEOPLE - pour our dreams, our thoughts, our memories and more into the mind of Daneel. He in essence becomes as 'GOD'. For he is a sense of immortality on behalf of the mind of Humanity ...and humanity 'can' forget.

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Reply #229 - Dec 11th, 2012 at 7:41pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 11th, 2012 at 10:57am:
Soren wrote on Dec 11th, 2012 at 10:49am:
Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 4th, 2012 at 1:50am:
I just don't believe in a god.  That's it.




Of course it would be foolish to believe in something that an atheist calls a god.
Nobody believes in a god as imagined by atheists. The atheists' folly is to think that people who believe in a god imagine it the way they, the atheists, do. This is why it is apt to say that atheists suffer from a severe lack of imagination. They are very egocentric in this respect - they cannot think outside their own obsessions.





So its not the "vengeful" god of your holy book?

@ any rate the fact that you need imagination to "believe" is telling. Dont you feel silly? Seriously a grown man believing in invisible being controlling his life?

SOB


SO you do not think others have a mind because you can't see a mind??

You are even thicker than I thought and I thought you are already an unbelievably phosphorescent cretin.

The mind is invisible. Emotions and thoughts are invisible. Memory is invisible. The imagination is invisible.

You lack all of them, don't you, and do not believe others have them either coz you can't see them.






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Reply #230 - Dec 11th, 2012 at 10:30pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 11th, 2012 at 10:57am:
So its not the "vengeful" god of your holy book?

@ any rate the fact that you need imagination to "believe" is telling. Dont you feel silly? Seriously a grown man believing in invisible being controlling his life?

SOB


It's not your Atheistic belief that's funny here. It's the belief by two posters that Soren is a Christian in anything other than a cultural sense. He meticulously avoids taking any position or betraying what he actually believes.

You see Christians everywhere but they don't know that they're Christian. . (Remember the "Sixth Sense" ?

I think it's because you have trouble thinking outside the formula. You  only know how to argue against Christian Fundamentalists.
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Reply #231 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 4:13am
 
muso wrote on Dec 11th, 2012 at 10:30pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 11th, 2012 at 10:57am:
So its not the "vengeful" god of your holy book?

@ any rate the fact that you need imagination to "believe" is telling. Dont you feel silly? Seriously a grown man believing in invisible being controlling his life?

SOB


It's not your Atheistic belief that's funny here. It's the belief by two posters that Soren is a Christian in anything other than a cultural sense. He meticulously avoids taking any position or betraying what he actually believes.

You see Christians everywhere but they don't know that they're Christian. . (Remember the "Sixth Sense" ?

I think it's because you have trouble thinking outside the formula. You  only know how to argue against Christian Fundamentalists.


You are trying to put words in my mouth and are actually less honest than the troll that just offers abuse.

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Reply #232 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 7:56pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 11th, 2012 at 10:57am:
Soren wrote on Dec 11th, 2012 at 10:49am:
Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 4th, 2012 at 1:50am:
I just don't believe in a god.  That's it.




Of course it would be foolish to believe in something that an atheist calls a god.
Nobody believes in a god as imagined by atheists. The atheists' folly is to think that people who believe in a god imagine it the way they, the atheists, do. This is why it is apt to say that atheists suffer from a severe lack of imagination. They are very egocentric in this respect - they cannot think outside their own obsessions.




How does how you imagine something make it any more or less likely?
The Giant Pancake named Coffee Cup is just as likely to be a 'god' as whatever homo you believe in.
How an atheists imagines a god would almost always be as a result of theist indoctrination.


How a person who has never had coffee in his life imagines the taste of coffee is not quite the same as a true coffee connoisseur.

Some Christians actually experience God. I can understand that, having had lengthy conversations with Christians and ex Christians. The easiest way to explain iit is like a quotidian relationship.

To quote Harry Potter:

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Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?


It's a personal thing, so most won't talk about it. It's as real as your ambitions and faith in yourself, and it does no harm.
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Reply #233 - Dec 14th, 2012 at 2:44pm
 
If somebody tells you that they are not religious, then why should they then be catagorised as being religious?
What part of the answer was not understood?

It's often argued, by Christians especially, that the non-religious see themselves as being "God" and therefore, with no threat of punishment from a higher source, there exists no motivation to do good.

So how does an atheist discern between what is good and what is bad? Surely with no reference point to fall back on, an athiest cannot tell the difference...?



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Reply #234 - Dec 14th, 2012 at 3:15pm
 
Ahh yes: Good & Bad.

We Aussies are what was 'bad' in Britain and expelled to Australia (down under, hell, etc) while the 'Good' of Britain left for America and rejected Britain out of their country because they were better.

When we fought for Britain, we took pride in our undisciplined 'dog soldier' Digger character that cops the excuse for all of Britain's failings.
But when we fought along with the Americans, it was them that were ill-disciplined and we Australians that were the 'goodie-two-shoes'. Many Viet-Cong will say how they made a conscious effort to stay clear of the more organised and disciplined Aust/Nz compared to the loose Americans who at the most, relied on their technology more than their bravery.

So there you have both Good and Bad coming from the same Country = AUSTRALIA
...and people 'believe' in such to exist as an Australian
then
you have the Australians who don't give a rats about either Britain or America and just get on with a Future than neither country can see in this part of the world.
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Reply #235 - Dec 14th, 2012 at 6:05pm
 
Amadd wrote on Dec 14th, 2012 at 2:44pm:
If somebody tells you that they are not religious, then why should they then be catagorised as being religious?
What part of the answer was not understood?

It's often argued, by Christians especially, that the non-religious see themselves as being "God" and therefore, with no threat of punishment from a higher source, there exists no motivation to do good.

So how does an atheist discern between what is good and what is bad? Surely with no reference point to fall back on, an athiest cannot tell the difference...?



Is it only atheists that can't tell good from bad, in your opinion? What about Scientologists? Hindus? Animists?

I'm interested in how one group of people can tell good from bad, and how do you characterise that group?
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Reply #236 - Dec 14th, 2012 at 6:14pm
 
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Dec 14th, 2012 at 3:15pm:
Ahh yes: Good & Bad.

We Aussies are what was 'bad' in Britain and expelled to Australia (down under, hell, etc) while the 'Good' of Britain left for America and rejected Britain out of their country because they were better.

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A man named Sei Weng owned a beautiful mare which was praised far and wide. One day this beautiful horse disappeared. The people of his village offered sympathy to Sei Weng for his great misfortune
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. Sei Weng said simply, "That's the way it is."

A few days later the lost mare returned, followed by a beautiful wild stallion. The village congratulated Sei Weng for his
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fortune. He said, "That's the way it is."

Some time later, Sei Weng's only son, while riding the stallion, fell off and broke his leg. The village people once again expressed their sympathy at Sei Weng's
misfortune
. Sei Weng again said, "That's the way it is."

Soon thereafter, war broke out and all the young men of the village except Sei Weng's lame son were drafted and were killed in battle. The village people were amazed as Sei Weng's
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luck. His son was the only young man left alive in the village. But Sei Weng kept his same attitude: despite all the turmoil, gains and losses, he gave the same reply, "That's the way it is."


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Reply #237 - Dec 14th, 2012 at 7:21pm
 
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Is it only atheists that can't tell good from bad, in your opinion? What about Scientologists? Hindus? Animists?

I'm interested in how one group of people can tell good from bad, and how do you characterise that group?


Well, that was a bit of a rhetorical question ..meaning: Of course an atheist is able to tell good from bad without requiring any particular scripture.
However, definitions of good and bad may vary  Huh


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Reply #238 - Dec 14th, 2012 at 7:53pm
 
Basically,

Religious people are people who base the majority of their existence around the human concept of Reading and Writing or the Invention of the Book.
Some still hold onto old stories that use Reading/Writing
...just like some Aboriginals who still hold to old ways of land management and don't advance by JUST ADDING WATER.

Luckily the world is evolving so Reading/Writing can have power in one part of the world
...like South America
while breeding in another part of the world
...like Middle-East
while playing second fiddle in another
...say Australia
and having less kids than the Artists next door in
...say North America.

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Reply #239 - Dec 14th, 2012 at 7:54pm
 
Oh look Shocked
I'm on a Forum that uses reading and writing Tongue
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