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Re: Is Atheism a Religion?
Reply #255 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 9:43pm

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Amadd,

Do you believe in magic ?

I believe that I am entertained by a good illusion, and when I see how it's done, I am sometimes amazed by
how simple it is, and sometimes amazed by the talent and practise required to pull it off.

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And his conclusion sounds totally rational to me.
/sarc off

One moment, no universe.

The next, there is a BIG BANG [which was cause by, NOTHING] and then we have a universe.

It sounds like a magic trick to me.

Well, in a way I suppose it is caused by all energy equalling nothing according to Hawkins.

I suppose it is rational or satisfying enough to consider that the universe and God has always existed, just as it is to consider that there will always be more questions beyond every answer that can be found.

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Re: Is Atheism a Religion?
Reply #256 - Dec 19^th, 2012 at 5:19am

muso wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 9:16pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 10:41am:

Richard Dawkins & Ricky Gervais on Religion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd92qy2ZmV0

Are those two people NOT reinforcing their views with each other ?

And confirming with each other that their 'conviction' is sound ?

If the views of these two people were NOT a deeply held 'conviction', wouldn't hese two people be content to keep their quiet 'conviction' [that there is no God] to themselves ?

These two people seem happy to demonstrate how 'organised' they are in their views. Tongue

It's understandable that somebody who calls himself an atheist would be interested in God or gods. After all, before you can understand the atheist position, first you have to have some appreciation of the theist position in all its variations. If they don't, then they are quite happy to accept that they don't have the foggiest idea what they don't believe in. Grin

Some atheists dont give a toss about gods. You dont have to "understand the position" its the default position. there arent any "rules" or "beliefs" or anything else. Its just a word to mean "lack of belief in a deity".

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #257 - Dec 19^th, 2012 at 6:35am ...without knowing what deity means.
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26506 Australia	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #258 - Dec 19^th, 2012 at 9:08am muso wrote on Dec 19^th, 2012 at 6:35am: ...without knowing what deity means. the word is not for the use of atheists themselves - its for the religious ppl that seem to want to label everyone. SOB
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Reply #259 - Dec 19^th, 2012 at 6:44pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 19^th, 2012 at 5:19am:

Some atheists dont give a toss about gods. You dont have to "understand the position" its the default position. there arent any "rules" or "beliefs" or anything else. Its just a word to mean "lack of belief in a deity".

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That's a bit like saying that a vegetarian doesn't have to know what meat is.

Can you see the snowman in this picture?

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #260 - Dec 19^th, 2012 at 7:18pm Yess..he's wearing a white hat with white polka dots. ..Oh wait..I see white boobs with white nipples too. ..It's a snow-woman! Actually, I just see what you are trying to represent.
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Re: Is Atheism a Religion?
Reply #261 - Dec 19^th, 2012 at 7:27pm

muso wrote on Dec 19^th, 2012 at 6:44pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 19^th, 2012 at 5:19am:

Some atheists dont give a toss about gods. You dont have to "understand the position" its the default position. there arent any "rules" or "beliefs" or anything else. Its just a word to mean "lack of belief in a deity".

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That's a bit like saying that a vegetarian doesn't have to know what meat is.

Can you see the snowman in this picture?

No its not. Its nothing like it. Do vegetarians believe in a deity?

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Reply #262 - Dec 19^th, 2012 at 7:39pm

yes. Amadd, you're close, but I think you're imagining things. Maybe if I outlined the snowman in black, you might understand, but of course you don't actually need the black to see the snowman. It was in the orginal picture all along.

Anyway, as you can see, your original concept of a snowman was totally wrong, but as a snowman seer, I could see it all along.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 19^th, 2012 at 7:27pm:

Do vegetarians believe in a deity?

SOB

Yes, of course they do. It's all a question of definition, just like the snowman.
http://www.all-creatures.org/cva/default.htm

... then there are Hindus.

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #263 - Dec 19^th, 2012 at 8:05pm Did you not see the snow-woman? It was plainly obvious considering the blank slate presented. Are you saying that you did not present a blank slate for interpretation?
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #264 - Dec 19^th, 2012 at 8:15pm The only answer for a 'true' atheist to the question 'Does god exist?' would be no answer at all... The question should have no meaning to an atheist... It'd be like asking 'Which way to the edge of the earth?'
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #265 - Dec 19^th, 2012 at 8:24pm That would indeed be a reasonable position, but it wouldn't usually be that of a person who describes himself as an atheist.
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Reply #266 - Dec 19^th, 2012 at 8:28pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 19^th, 2012 at 8:15pm:

The only answer for a 'true' atheist to the question 'Does god exist?' would be no answer at all... The question should have no meaning to an atheist...

It'd be like asking 'Which way to the edge of the earth?'

Then you would need to define what a "true" atheist actually is.
From my perception, most people uninterested in theism are very open to the possibility of new discoveries.

The question of creationist God may be a bunk one, but it doesn't mean that atheists don't ask it too.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #267 - Dec 19^th, 2012 at 8:30pm Amadd wrote on Dec 19^th, 2012 at 8:05pm: Did you not see the snow-woman? It was plainly obvious considering the blank slate presented. Are you saying that you did not present a blank slate for interpretation? Of course I saw the snow-woman, but I specifically asked about the snowman.
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #268 - Dec 19^th, 2012 at 8:35pm Amadd wrote on Dec 19^th, 2012 at 8:28pm: Then you would need to define what a "true" atheist actually is. I have something better than a definition. I have a picture.
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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #269 - Dec 19^th, 2012 at 8:54pm Good one. About sums it up I think.
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