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Re: Is Atheism a Religion?
Reply #270 - Dec 20^th, 2012 at 5:28am

muso wrote on Dec 19^th, 2012 at 7:39pm:

yes. Amadd, you're close, but I think you're imagining things. Maybe if I outlined the snowman in black, you might understand, but of course you don't actually need the black to see the snowman. It was in the orginal picture all along.

Anyway, as you can see, your original concept of a snowman was totally wrong, but as a snowman seer, I could see it all along.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 19^th, 2012 at 7:27pm:

Do vegetarians believe in a deity?

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Yes, of course they do. It's all a question of definition, just like the snowman.
http://www.all-creatures.org/cva/default.htm

... then there are Hindus.

Nope. SOME vegetarians may believe in a deity and some may not. It has nothing to do with religion or lack of religion for most.

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Re: Is Atheism a Religion?
Reply #271 - Dec 20^th, 2012 at 6:32am

muso wrote on Dec 19^th, 2012 at 8:24pm:

... but it wouldn't usually be that of a person who describes himself as an atheist.

"Drink more booze... A million drunks can't be wrong?"

The arguing over the non-existence of 'god' is the terrain of the militant antitheist (or the antitheist) whose primary argument is against the influence that theism has on society. But, in doing so, he inevitably becomes entangled in the web of defining 'god', becoming ever more obsessed with what 'god' is (or isn't by antithesis) and, by that, inadvertently concedes (perversely) that 'god', in some way, exists.

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #272 - Dec 20^th, 2012 at 9:32pm I think the debates usually stem from the "supposed" knowing of what God said.
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Re: Is Atheism a Religion?
Reply #273 - Dec 20^th, 2012 at 9:58pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 20^th, 2012 at 5:28am:

muso wrote on Dec 19^th, 2012 at 7:39pm:

yes. Amadd, you're close, but I think you're imagining things. Maybe if I outlined the snowman in black, you might understand, but of course you don't actually need the black to see the snowman. It was in the orginal picture all along.

Anyway, as you can see, your original concept of a snowman was totally wrong, but as a snowman seer, I could see it all along.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 19^th, 2012 at 7:27pm:

Do vegetarians believe in a deity?

SOB

Yes, of course they do. It's all a question of definition, just like the snowman.
http://www.all-creatures.org/cva/default.htm

... then there are Hindus.

Nope. SOME vegetarians may believe in a deity and some may not. It has nothing to do with religion or lack of religion for most.

SOB

How is that different from what I said? I said that vegetarians (plural) believe in God. If I had meant all vegetarians, I would have used the word "all".

Come on, are you saying that when you read a newspaper heading that says "Armed Men rob a bank", you automatically assume that it means all armed men?

Anyway, prove to me that God is not a brussel sprout. See! You can't.

In fact a brussel sprout goes from being transcendent to immanent the moment that you eat it.

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Re: Is Atheism a Religion?
Reply #274 - Dec 20^th, 2012 at 10:12pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 20^th, 2012 at 6:32am:

muso wrote on Dec 19^th, 2012 at 8:24pm:

... but it wouldn't usually be that of a person who describes himself as an atheist.

"Drink more booze... A million drunks can't be wrong?"

The arguing over the non-existence of 'god' is the terrain of the militant antitheist (or the antitheist) whose primary argument is against the influence that theism has on society. But, in doing so, he inevitably becomes entangled in the web of defining 'god', becoming ever more obsessed with what 'god' is (or isn't by antithesis) and, by that, inadvertently concedes (perversely) that 'god', in some way, exists.

It's all a question of ontology.

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Re: Is Atheism a Religion?
Reply #275 - Dec 21^st, 2012 at 12:08am

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Anyway, prove to me that God is not a brussel sprout. See! You can't.

As brussel sprouts are thought to originate from Belgium, and weren't widely known until the 16th century, it's nigh on impossible that Moses would have received the 10 commandments from a brussel sprout living on Mt.Sinai where they have never been known to exist. Wink

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #276 - Dec 21^st, 2012 at 12:23am But let's face it, a belief in a non-interventionist God is as well as saying (to a religious person) that you're an atheist, because religions are pointless if they hold no power over the actions of other people.
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Reply #277 - Dec 22^nd, 2012 at 6:28am

Amadd wrote on Dec 21^st, 2012 at 12:08am:

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Anyway, prove to me that God is not a brussel sprout. See! You can't.

As brussel sprouts are thought to originate from Belgium, and weren't widely known until the 16th century, it's nigh on impossible that Moses would have received the 10 commandments from a brussel sprout living on Mt.Sinai where they have never been known to exist. Wink

God moves in mysterious ways. You are attempting to use reason and logic to shake my faith in the divine. The name of God is Brassica oleracea, May God be with you always, and bring you everlasting life. Join me in holy communion this Christmas In welcoming God within you. Remember to cross yourself and mutter softly and piously "the body of God".

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Reason is the Devil's greatest whore; by nature and manner of being she is a noxious whore; she is a prostitute, the Devil's appointed whore; whore eaten by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under foot and destroyed, she and her wisdom ... Throw dung in her face to make her ugly. She is and she ought to be drowned in baptism... She would deserve, the wretch, to be banished to the filthiest place in the house, to the closets."
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Blessed be the divine Brussel Sprout, creator of all you see.

I know this for a fact, because the divine Brussel Sprout spoke to me in a dream.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26506 Australia	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #278 - Dec 22^nd, 2012 at 7:09am The sprouts of wrath (brentford trilogy). Yeah prolly nobody here has read it. SOB
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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #279 - Dec 22^nd, 2012 at 12:49pm I must have missed the rule of this thread which said "Thou shalt not debate this subject rationally". I suppose if you could debate it rationally, there would be no such thing as religious people. Martin Luther's legacy lives on.
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Re: Is Atheism a Religion?
Reply #280 - Dec 23^rd, 2012 at 8:29am

Amadd wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2012 at 12:49pm:

I must have missed the rule of this thread which said "Thou shalt not debate this subject rationally".

I suppose if you could debate it rationally, there would be no such thing as religious people.
Martin Luther's legacy lives on.

I wouldn't regard it as a very serious subject. The only way to treat it is as a joke. However, as I left North Lakes Shopping centre yesterday, I spotted a brussel sprout in the gutter while returning to my car.

It's a sign of the times when people treat God like that. Tongue

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Re: Is Atheism a Religion?
Reply #281 - Dec 23^rd, 2012 at 10:27am

muso wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2012 at 8:29am:

Amadd wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2012 at 12:49pm:

I must have missed the rule of this thread which said "Thou shalt not debate this subject rationally".

I suppose if you could debate it rationally, there would be no such thing as religious people.
Martin Luther's legacy lives on.

I wouldn't regard it as a very serious subject. The only way to treat it is as a joke. However, as I left North Lakes Shopping centre yesterday, I spotted a brussel sprout in the gutter while returning to my car.

It's a sign of the times when people treat God like that. Tongue

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Reply #282 - Dec 23^rd, 2012 at 11:23am

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I wouldn't regard it as a very serious subject. The only way to treat it is as a joke. However, as I left North Lakes Shopping centre yesterday, I spotted a brussel sprout in the gutter while returning to my car.

It's a sign of the times when people treat God like that. Tongue

Well, yes I gathered that your brussel sprout scenario wasn't really serious, however, I think that you're trying to make a point out of it and some religious people seriously do consider atheism to be a religion whilst not considering "Deism" to be a religion.

By the way, I think that you were wrong about your brussel sprout God being treated badly. It is actually a sign of the second coming and God is starting with the gutter people.
Coincidence that this occured at the end of the Mayan calender? Hmmm...I think not. That's really spooky! Shocked

I should get to writing some scriptures about this amazing event right away!

But then again, you made up the brussel sprout God so you also get to make up the rulebook don't you?
Do you think it may be worth a crusade or two to hold on to that rulebook?

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #283 - Dec 23^rd, 2012 at 9:37pm I probably could, but I'd never get around to finishing that project. However, if we learnt anything from the Mayans, it's that if you don't get around to finishing something, it isn't exactly the end of the world.
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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #284 - Dec 23^rd, 2012 at 10:26pm No it's not quite is it
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