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Reply #525 - Apr 2nd, 2013 at 1:19pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 5:20pm:
True what they say... Judaism is a job for life...

On Q&A tonight is Deborah Conway - Jewish Atheist..

Jewish Atheist??

What's that like?

Vegetarian pizza with extra ham?


It's a bit like a theistic atheist. All depends on definitions.
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Reply #526 - Apr 2nd, 2013 at 1:38pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 9:29pm:
Soren wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 7:51pm:
Jewish atheism is like all other atheism - debating in the glow of self-made electric light whether to believe or not to believe in the sun.


'whether to believe or not to believe in the sun'??

Not at all... More like debating whether or not its likely a cosmic entity is peddling a bike to drive a dynamo that powers the sun.




At midday, on a cloudless day, i believe in the sun.

But at midnight, what sun! ?????


I am a very fickle person.

I am a flag in the wind.         Tongue


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #527 - Apr 2nd, 2013 at 1:43pm
 
The sun is always there - it's just a case of you not seeing it.
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Reply #528 - Apr 2nd, 2013 at 1:44pm
 
Yadda wrote on Apr 2nd, 2013 at 1:38pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 9:29pm:
Soren wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 7:51pm:
Jewish atheism is like all other atheism - debating in the glow of self-made electric light whether to believe or not to believe in the sun.


'whether to believe or not to believe in the sun'??

Not at all... More like debating whether or not its likely a cosmic entity is peddling a bike to drive a dynamo that powers the sun.




At midday, on a cloudless day, i believe in the sun.

But at midnight, what sun! ?????


I am a very fickle person.

I am a flag in the wind.         Tongue





.....and Anar the Fire-golden, fruit of Laurelin, they named the Sun. But the Noldor named [it] Vasa, the Heart of Fire, that awakens and consumes; for the Sun was set as a sign for the awakening of Men....
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Reply #529 - Apr 2nd, 2013 at 7:15pm
 
muso wrote on Apr 2nd, 2013 at 1:19pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 5:20pm:
True what they say... Judaism is a job for life...

On Q&A tonight is Deborah Conway - Jewish Atheist..

Jewish Atheist??

What's that like?

Vegetarian pizza with extra ham?


It's a bit like a theistic atheist. All depends on definitions.

About time you showed up.
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Reply #530 - Apr 2nd, 2013 at 7:17pm
 
damien wrote on Apr 2nd, 2013 at 11:12am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 9:36pm:
damien wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 9:24pm:
To which the little girl replies, "Do you really feel qualified to discuss God, Heaven and Hell, or life after death, when you don't know sh1t?"

Was a strawman sitting in the third seat?


Who said there was a third seat?

Where else would the strawman be sitting?

Or is it that the little girl is the strawman?
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Reply #531 - Apr 2nd, 2013 at 7:19pm
 
Yadda wrote on Apr 2nd, 2013 at 1:38pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 9:29pm:
Soren wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 7:51pm:
Jewish atheism is like all other atheism - debating in the glow of self-made electric light whether to believe or not to believe in the sun.


'whether to believe or not to believe in the sun'??

Not at all... More like debating whether or not its likely a cosmic entity is peddling a bike to drive a dynamo that powers the sun.


At midday, on a cloudless day, i believe in the sun.

But at midnight, what sun! ?????

Hume might like it, but there's always the sun.
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Reply #532 - Apr 13th, 2013 at 9:56pm
 
Refusing to engage with the idea of god (atheism) is an unimaginatively rebellious stance. It is temperamental hissyfit rather than an honest, self-revealing before one's own eyes kind of stance.  I think a lot of it is really anticleticalism.

Still, being militantly or mildly against something that doesn't actually require you to be for or against it is quite jejune. Living your life as defined by opposition to something you don't believe in - how wasteful, not to say manic, is that?





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Reply #533 - Apr 13th, 2013 at 11:49pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 2nd, 2013 at 7:19pm:
Yadda wrote on Apr 2nd, 2013 at 1:38pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 9:29pm:
Soren wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 7:51pm:
Jewish atheism is like all other atheism - debating in the glow of self-made electric light whether to believe or not to believe in the sun.


'whether to believe or not to believe in the sun'??

Not at all... More like debating whether or not its likely a cosmic entity is peddling a bike to drive a dynamo that powers the sun.


At midday, on a cloudless day, i believe in the sun.

But at midnight, what sun! ?????


Hume might like it, but there's always the sun.




Its the middle of the night, where is teh sun then ?

And don't tell me; "Its coming."

I don't believe.

I don't believe, in 'tomorrow'.

Tongue
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Re: Is Atheism a Religion?
Reply #534 - Apr 14th, 2013 at 7:48am
 
Yadda wrote on Apr 13th, 2013 at 11:49pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 2nd, 2013 at 7:19pm:
Yadda wrote on Apr 2nd, 2013 at 1:38pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 9:29pm:
Soren wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 7:51pm:
Jewish atheism is like all other atheism - debating in the glow of self-made electric light whether to believe or not to believe in the sun.


'whether to believe or not to believe in the sun'??

Not at all... More like debating whether or not its likely a cosmic entity is peddling a bike to drive a dynamo that powers the sun.


At midday, on a cloudless day, i believe in the sun.

But at midnight, what sun! ?????


Hume might like it, but there's always the sun.




Its the middle of the night, where is teh sun then ?

And don't tell me; "Its coming."

I don't believe.

I don't believe, in 'tomorrow'.

Tongue



Geez, the sun is always there!!
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Re: Is Atheism a Religion?
Reply #535 - Apr 14th, 2013 at 8:46am
 
Soren wrote on Apr 13th, 2013 at 9:56pm:
Refusing to engage with the idea of god (atheism) is an unimaginatively rebellious stance. It is temperamental hissyfit rather than an honest, self-revealing before one's own eyes kind of stance.  I think a lot of it is really anticleticalism.

Still, being militantly or mildly against something that doesn't actually require you to be for or against it is quite jejune. Living your life as defined by opposition to something you don't believe in - how wasteful, not to say manic, is that?


If an atheist engages with the idea of god, does he cease being an atheist? A self termed atheist (by definition) would have already engaged with the idea of god (or gods) in the first place. 

Some would say that an atheist who has never in their life engaged with the idea of god, is agnostic.

I agree with the rest of your post to some extent but the context is not universal. A minority of atheists is anti-theistic, and a smaller minority is militant.   

Wasteful? How much time would the average atheist spend "not worshipping god" ?  I agree that it's wasteful dedicating your life to crusades against gods (and windmills).

There is a subtle difference in the context of "atheist" and "atheism" aside from the obvious fact that atheism is an abstract noun etc.
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Reply #536 - Apr 14th, 2013 at 9:51am
 
Yadda wrote on Apr 13th, 2013 at 11:49pm:
Its the middle of the night, where is teh sun then ?

And don't tell me; "Its coming."

I don't believe.

I don't believe, in 'tomorrow'.

Tongue

Set up a webcam in Lithuania.
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Reply #537 - Apr 14th, 2013 at 10:11am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 14th, 2013 at 9:51am:
Yadda wrote on Apr 13th, 2013 at 11:49pm:
Its the middle of the night, where is teh sun then ?

And don't tell me; "Its coming."

I don't believe.

I don't believe, in 'tomorrow'.

Tongue


Set up a webcam in Lithuania.




What is a 'webcam' ???        Tongue

What if i set up a webcam in Casey, Antarctica, right now ?





Sun and earth — Classroom Antarctica
classroom.antarctica.gov.au/continent/sun-and-earth
Nov 16, 2012 – Antarctica receives 24 hours of daylight when it is tilted towards the sun (21 December) and 24 hours of darkness or near-darkness ... it is always hot in the tropics and cold in Antarctica, and why winter is colder than summer.

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Reply #538 - Apr 14th, 2013 at 10:13am
 
damien wrote on Apr 14th, 2013 at 7:48am:
Yadda wrote on Apr 13th, 2013 at 11:49pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 2nd, 2013 at 7:19pm:
Yadda wrote on Apr 2nd, 2013 at 1:38pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 9:29pm:
Soren wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 7:51pm:
Jewish atheism is like all other atheism - debating in the glow of self-made electric light whether to believe or not to believe in the sun.


'whether to believe or not to believe in the sun'??

Not at all... More like debating whether or not its likely a cosmic entity is peddling a bike to drive a dynamo that powers the sun.


At midday, on a cloudless day, i believe in the sun.

But at midnight, what sun! ?????


Hume might like it, but there's always the sun.




Its the middle of the night, where is teh sun then ?

And don't tell me; "Its coming."

I don't believe.

I don't believe, in 'tomorrow'.

Tongue



Geez, the sun is always there!!





damien,

No, no!

If i can't see it, right now, then it does not exist.

I'm sure of it.         Tongue


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #539 - Apr 14th, 2013 at 11:41am
 
Soren wrote on Apr 13th, 2013 at 9:56pm:
Refusing to engage with the idea of god (atheism) is an unimaginatively rebellious stance. It is temperamental hissyfit rather than an honest, self-revealing before one's own eyes kind of stance.  I think a lot of it is really anticleticalism.

Still, being militantly or mildly against something that doesn't actually require you to be for or against it is quite jejune. Living your life as defined by opposition to something you don't believe in - how wasteful, not to say manic, is that?

We're not born scared of the dark.

We acquire that fear, during our early years, of goblins, ghosts and bogeymen who live in closets and come out to haunt us at night.

And we learn or invent mantras to keep us safe and swap them with our peers (along with tales of terror to justify our burgeoning belief in metaphysical menace).

But comes the day (usually) when, along with Santa, we begin to doubt our earliest beliefs and realise, sometimes with nostalgic regret, that our evil entities of the night do not really exist except in our fertile imagination... And we no longer believe.

And from that day, when things go bump in the night, we're sure enough that hobgoblins are not the cause, but something mundane - something responding to gravity or motion (more likely) - has collided with another or fallen.

But we do not 'believe in our disbelief' as we once believed in ghosts in the closet.

We are (if you must) 'a-spectre-ists' - and not from having thrown a hissy fit - but from having naturally grown away from believing in the fantastically improbable and towards acceptance of a more mundane (and, yes, much less colourful), yet eminently more likely, truth.

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