Amadd wrote on Dec 18
th, 2012 at 5:33pm:
Quote:Am i being unreasonable ?
Isn't atheism a strongly held conviction with some people ???
Stats I've seen usually show a degree of uncertainty amongst people with atheist views, or it's not a question they require an answer to.
Stephen Hawkins seems convinced that
rationally speaking, there is no creator and
the universe created itself.
I am sure that a person in Stephen Hawkins position has had a lot of time to meditate upon that question.
And his conclusion sounds totally rational to me./sarc off
One moment, no universe.
The next, there is a BIG BANG [which was cause by, NOTHING] and then we have a universe.
It sounds like a magic trick to me.
Amadd,
Do you believe in magic ?
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Yadda explains the [accepted by scientists] BIG BANG theory;
THIS IS WHAT IS TAUGHT TO CHILDREN IN SCHOOLS;
All matter was once compressed into the size of a full-stop-dot, like the one at the end of this sentence >>> . <<<
And then there was an explosion of that matter [i.e. the BIG BANG], which resulted in our present universe of stars and planets.
The material from that explosion [of nothing] then coalesced and was drawn together to form the stars and planets in our universe.
On earth, the molten rocks cooled, life evolved [from what was once those molten rocks!], and here we all are, ...the masters of the universe!
LOL
Here is a nice BIG BANG theory quote
from a science article [purporting to be fact] published in that reputable 'science' magazine, 'Discover';
Google it;
"...The universe burst into something from absolutely nothing - zero, nada. And as it got bigger, it became filled with even more stuff that came from absolutely nowhere."
Alan Guth, Discover magazine April 2002 Quote:......Start, Guth says, by imagining nothing, a pure vacuum. Be careful. Don't imagine outer space without matter in it. Imagine no space at all and no matter at all. Good luck.
To the average person it might seem obvious that nothing can happen in nothing. But to a quantum physicist, nothing is, in fact, something. Quantum theory holds that probability, not absolutes, rules any physical system. It is impossible, even in principle, to predict the behavior of any single atom; all physicists can do is predict the average properties of a large collection of atoms. Quantum theory also holds that a vacuum, like atoms, is subject to quantum uncertainties. This means that things can materialize out of the vacuum, although they tend to vanish back into it quickly. While this phenomenon has never been observed directly, measurements of the electron's magnetic strength strongly imply that it is real and happening in the vacuum of space even now.
Theoretically, anything—a dog, a house, a planet—can pop into existence by means of this quantum quirk, which physicists call a vacuum fluctuation. Probability, however, dictates that pairs of subatomic particles—one positive, one negative, so that conservation laws are not violated—are by far the most likely creations and that they will last extremely briefly, typically for only 10-21 second. The spontaneous, persistent creation of something even as large as a molecule is profoundly unlikely.
http://discovermagazine.com/2002/apr/cover#.UNA9tCyDFpgIts a 'magic' show folks!
Tickets! Tickets! $10 a ticket!