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Reply #420 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 8:16pm

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 8:06pm:

I wonder how you manage to distinguish between, say, AGW sceptics and AGW activists. The sun comes up, it gets warmer, the sun goes down, it gets cooler - pretty similar.

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Well, you were the one who was trying to compare cutting off hands with child beating.

I'm merely pointing out that apples and pears should not be compared. Some things are different.

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Reply #421 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 8:49pm

muso wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 8:16pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 8:06pm:

I wonder how you manage to distinguish between, say, AGW sceptics and AGW activists. The sun comes up, it gets warmer, the sun goes down, it gets cooler - pretty similar.

SOB

Well, you were the one who was trying to compare cutting off hands with child beating.

Was I?

It musta been that other SOB.

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Reply #422 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 9:11pm

muso wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 9:49pm:

You are just describing one aspect of my religion (Musoism)
As a matter of fact my religion has faith. My faith is in the interrelatedness of all people and in an improvable future in this world. I have faith that mankind will survive.

So I have a religion with Gods...faith, that makes perfect sense . This is an exception for your general term Atheism which you define as lacking of belief in any god.

'Faith' is not synonymous with 'god'. There's no sense in your 'religion' just wishfull thinking that's subject to 'quantative easing' the older you get Grin

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Reply #423 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 9:51pm

Grey wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 9:11pm:

muso wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 9:49pm:

You are just describing one aspect of my religion (Musoism)
As a matter of fact my religion has faith. My faith is in the interrelatedness of all people and in an improvable future in this world. I have faith that mankind will survive.

So I have a religion with Gods...faith, that makes perfect sense . This is an exception for your general term Atheism which you define as lacking of belief in any god.

'Faith' is not synonymous with 'god'. There's no sense in your 'religion' just wishfull thinking that's subject to 'quantative easing' the older you get Grin

Ah, it was ages ago that I posted that. I wasn't claiming that faith was synonymous with "God" in any way. Faith is a kind of exhortation - a self-encouragement if you like.

I'll give you a less hypothetical version. God= life, but why not just call it life?

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #424 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 6:51am muso wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 9:51pm: Faith is a kind of exhortation - a self-encouragement if you like. And the motivating force that gives credence to "Possunt, quia posse videntur" - "They can because they think they can".
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #425 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 8:48am muso wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 9:51pm: God= life, but why not just call it life? God is not life. God is the idea or ideal of being. God = Being.
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Reply #426 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 9:06am

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 8:49pm:

muso wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 8:16pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 8:06pm:

I wonder how you manage to distinguish between, say, AGW sceptics and AGW activists. The sun comes up, it gets warmer, the sun goes down, it gets cooler - pretty similar.

SOB

Well, you were the one who was trying to compare cutting off hands with child beating.

Was I?

It musta been that other SOB.

No - troll - it was you

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1304543494/417#417

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #427 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 11:20am Soren wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 8:48am: muso wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 9:51pm: God= life, but why not just call it life? God is not life. God is the idea or ideal of being. God = Being. Any old being will do.
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Reply #428 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 6:52pm

Soren wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 8:48am:

muso wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 9:51pm:

God= life, but why not just call it life?

God is not life. God is the idea or ideal of being. God = Being.

Being = Living, as opposed to being a rock or a cat statue, but yes, we are almost in agreement.

cogito ergo sum: cogito ergo vivo. Cool

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It's the first person singular that denotes (sentient) life as opposed to existence. Ask a theologist.

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Reply #429 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 8:08pm

muso wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 6:52pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 8:48am:

muso wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 9:51pm:

God= life, but why not just call it life?

God is not life. God is the idea or ideal of being. God = Being.

Being = Living, as opposed to being a rock or a cat statue, but yes, we are almost in agreement.

cogito ergo sum: cogito ergo vivo. Cool

ehyeh ʾasher ʾehyeh
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It's the first person singular that denotes (sentient) life as opposed to existence.

Esoteric tosh! Quote:

Ask a theologist.

Now what the hell do they know? You can collect snot, roll it all up bigger and bigger, but it's still snot.

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Reply #430 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 8:13pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 9:06am:

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 8:49pm:

muso wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 8:16pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 8:06pm:

I wonder how you manage to distinguish between, say, AGW sceptics and AGW activists. The sun comes up, it gets warmer, the sun goes down, it gets cooler - pretty similar.

SOB

Well, you were the one who was trying to compare cutting off hands with child beating.

Was I?

It musta been that other SOB.

No - troll - it was you

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1304543494/417#417

SOB

Ah, there he is, the other SOB.

Muso introduces some obscure offshoot of 16th century Portugese persecution in Goa - and bingo! it's suddenly me who wanted to compare the Portugese in Goa to sharia.

Fookn 'ell, you guys are all turning into SOB. Must be god's will, what?

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #431 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 8:16pm Grey wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 8:08pm: You can collect snot, roll it all up bigger and bigger, but it's still snot. And to think you lived for 60+ years to be able to utter this pearl of wisdom. The next guy who complains about the 'youth of today' should be referred to your office for sobering up.
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Reply #432 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 9:18pm

Soren wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 8:39pm:

muso wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 6:48am:

Google the Goa Inquisition. Any religion has this kind of potential. The status quo is an ephemeral, fragile thing.

Ignore history at your peril.

NoN:

"Blows and wounds cleanse away evil, and beatings purge the inmost being." Proverbs 20:30

Google Sean Harris. He's the Baptist preacher who thinks you should beat the "gay" out of your child.

On the other hand, you don't have to Google some obscure nobody to know that under sharia, you stand to lose a hand if you steal, or be stoned if you bugger outa turn, etc.

You get the difference? Prolly not.

SOB.

Please note that in the first part of my post, I was talking about the Portuguese Inquisition in Goa as an illustration that any religion can go feral, and even the docile domesticated Roman Catholicism of today that we know and respect, has turned feral in the past.

Now in the second part of my post, I was talking to NoN, and stating that Roman Catholicism was not the only religion with a legacy of child abuse - a totally different subject.

You were the one that then drew the slightly absurd parallel, stating that over zealous child discipline was different to extreme forms of Sharia Law as practiced in somewhat uncivilised parts of the World. Well hallelujah!
Of course it's different. As different as modern Catholicism is to the Portuguese Inquisition in fact.

My only point was that religions (any religion - pick a religion) have the potential for the over-zealous element to go bonkers.

Now, let's clarify matters - Are you saying that you disagree with that?

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Reply #433 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 9:19pm

Soren wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 8:16pm:

Grey wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 8:08pm:

You can collect snot, roll it all up bigger and bigger, but it's still snot.

And to think you lived for 60+ years to be able to utter this pearl of wisdom.

The next guy who complains about the 'youth of today' should be referred to your office for sobering up.

How like you to call a ball of snot a pearl of wisdom.

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Reply #434 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 9:32pm

Grey wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 8:08pm:

Esoteric tosh! Quote:

Ask a theologist.

Now what the hell do they know? You can collect snot, roll it all up bigger and bigger, but it's still snot.

They probably know that we're dealing with perceptions of the divinity, and that perceptions are the only reality we have. It probably explains why most theologists are closet atheists.

Don't knock theologists. One of my best friends is a theologist.

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