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NZ MP Farewells Freedom Fighter
May 7^th, 2011 at 10:09am

At least some still have the guts to stand up for the truth in the face of the worldwide propaganda effort that prohibits anyone from speaking honestly about him.

Hone Harawira: Bin Laden 'fought for freedom'

http://www.3news.co.nz/Portals/0-Articles/209839/osamaharawira.jpgwidth=300

Osama bin Laden and Hone Harawira

Controversial ex-Maori Party MP Hone Harawira has called Osama bin Laden a freedom fighter, saying the former terrorist mastermind should be "honoured", not "damned", as according to Maori custom.

According to the English subtitles of Maori Television's Native Affairs, Mr Harawira said bin Laden "pursued independence for his people, his family and his tribe", reports the New Zealand Herald.

"I acknowledge him and bid him farewell," said Mr Harawira. "Return to your ancestors who wait for you beyond the veil of death.

"Despite what the media has said, his family, his tribe, his people are in mourning.

"They mourn for the man who fought for the rights, the land and the freedom of his people. We should not damn them in death, but acknowledge the positive aspects of life."

Maori Party co-leader Pita Sharples said utu, or revenge, was a Maori custom, but was uncomfortable at celebrations over bin Laden's death.

"We don't agree with the extent of the celebrations or with anyone celebrating the assassination of anyone and then the person's body being discarded into the sea," he told Te Karere.

Source: 3 News

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49062 At my desk.	Re: NZ MP Farewells Freedom Fighter Reply #1 - May 7^th, 2011 at 10:41am Quote: They mourn for the man who fought for the rights, the land and the freedom of his people. Is this what you think too Abu?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105254 Melbourne Gender:	Re: NZ MP Farewells Freedom Fighter Reply #2 - May 7^th, 2011 at 10:44am George Bush said: Quote: " you're either with us or you're with the terrorists " What does that say about Abu?
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Reply #3 - May 7^th, 2011 at 11:53am

fd,

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Is this what you think too Abu?

Yes!

Bobby,

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George Bush said...

Funny how you claim to be against all war, and despise Bin Laden since you consider him a warmonger and killer of innocents, yet you have no trouble proudly quoting this butcher who ordered the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslim civilians.

More proof, if any were needed, of your hypocritical stance regarding the value of Western vs. Muslim life.

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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5427 Gender:	Re: NZ MP Farewells Freedom Fighter Reply #4 - May 7^th, 2011 at 12:05pm The irony is that this Maori would be regarded as an ignorant savage by Bin Laden and his followers, worthy only of subjugation and contempt. Pehaps Harawira should find out more about the traditional place of native peoples under islam before indulging in such hero worship.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: NZ MP Farewells Freedom Fighter Reply #5 - May 7^th, 2011 at 12:38pm Yeh right, that's why Muslims came to Australia prior to the British, and yet didn't eradicate the locals as part of the fauna, but actually treated them as human beings, intermarrying with them. Keep peddling that kind of garbage if it makes you feel better about your pathetic position.
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Reply #6 - May 7^th, 2011 at 12:43pm

abu_rashid wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 12:38pm:

Yeh right, that's why Muslims came to Australia prior to the British, and yet didn't eradicate the locals as part of the fauna, but actually treated them as human beings, intermarrying with them.

Keep peddling that kind of garbage if it makes you feel better about your pathetic position.

I thought that was the Dutch. Or are you talking the Macassan traders ?

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: NZ MP Farewells Freedom Fighter Reply #7 - May 7^th, 2011 at 12:57pm As the Dutch were not Muslims, yes the Maccassans. But the situation can be applied wholesale to every land that Muslims ever travelled to. They never eradicated or colonised or subjugated local populations, they treated them as equals and offered them membership of the Islamic Caliphate.
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Reply #9 - May 7^th, 2011 at 1:06pm

Most certainly.

Even Michael Scheuer, who headed the CIA's Bin Laden tracking unit, came to the same conclusion after spending many years studying the man's life.

I really can't se why you find it so surprising, not everyone gullibly swallows the lies propagated in the media. Let me guess, you actually thought he hid behind his wife right? Even though the guy would fearlessly dig trenches solo on the front lines when the Soviets were bombing the Mujahideen, and nobody else would do it, you actually believe the garbage from the U.S... right?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49062 At my desk.	Re: NZ MP Farewells Freedom Fighter Reply #10 - May 7^th, 2011 at 1:10pm So he would defend the right of his brother to convert from Islam to another religion? He would defend the right of a woman to choose for herself what to wear? Or do you mean he defended 'Islamic' rights and freedoms, which is like having an opposite day?
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Reply #11 - May 7^th, 2011 at 3:01pm

fd we're all adults here I assume, so you can dispense with the infantile concept pf freedom that you seem to be clinging onto.

Freedom is not absolute, for anyone, nor is it universal for anyone. Your constant attempts to equate the freedom of self-determination for a nation/people with individual freedoms to carry out certain acts really displays what kind of an intellectually immature mind we're dealing with here. Please try a little harder.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: NZ MP Farewells Freedom Fighter Reply #12 - May 7^th, 2011 at 3:58pm A very disturbing topic.
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Reply #13 - May 7^th, 2011 at 4:31pm

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Freedom is not absolute, for anyone, nor is it universal for anyone.

So stoning someone to death for changing their religion is not an attack on freedom of religion, it is just another 'type' of freedom of religion? It is 'freedom, Islamic style'?

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Your constant attempts to equate the freedom of self-determination for a nation/people with individual freedoms

I am not doing that. Freedom is always an individual thing. Otherwise it is some kind of nationalism.

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A very disturbing topic.

Does this answer your question about Islam Lisa?

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Deborahmac09 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1619	Re: NZ MP Farewells Freedom Fighter Reply #14 - May 7^th, 2011 at 4:38pm So, it appears now that we can no longer define freedom fighters from terrorists. He gave up his homeland and went off to do his own thing. As a rich man he could have done a lot to help his people. What he did was for his own ego, nothing more, nothing less.
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