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Reply #15 - May 7^th, 2011 at 4:58pm

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 4:38pm:

So, it appears now that we can no longer define freedom fighters from terrorists.

He gave up his homeland and went off to do his own thing.
As a rich man he could have done a lot to help his people.
What he did was for his own ego, nothing more, nothing less.

And this is the guy you want us to sacrifice our freedom of speech for?

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: NZ MP Farewells Freedom Fighter Reply #16 - May 7^th, 2011 at 5:00pm Deborahmac09 wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 4:38pm: What he did was for his own ego, nothing more, nothing less. You mean like Hitler? It's very disturbing to see Abu viewing Osama in any positive light.
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Re: NZ MP Farewells Freedom Fighter
Reply #17 - May 7^th, 2011 at 5:02pm

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 4:58pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 4:38pm:

So, it appears now that we can no longer define freedom fighters from terrorists.

He gave up his homeland and went off to do his own thing.
As a rich man he could have done a lot to help his people.
What he did was for his own ego, nothing more, nothing less.

And this is the guy you want us to sacrifice our freedom of speech for?

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Did you miss the part where I said

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Sometimes holding one's tongue is the right thing to do.

You did? Well go read what I said again, instead of picking bits and peaces!

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Re: NZ MP Farewells Freedom Fighter
Reply #18 - May 7^th, 2011 at 5:08pm

Lisa Jones wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 5:00pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 4:38pm:

What he did was for his own ego, nothing more, nothing less.

You mean like Hitler?

It's very disturbing to see Abu viewing Osama in any positive light.

Was the jumped up little corporal a terrorist?
no, He was a Megalomaniac. The only simalarity is they were both evil men.

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Re: NZ MP Farewells Freedom Fighter
Reply #20 - May 7^th, 2011 at 5:18pm

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 5:11pm:

So we should only self censor a little bit, or in response to the really evil lunatics?

We should think about the consiquences, are they worth it?
Will it make matters worse, better, and yes even in the long run.
I have never said in all matters it is not worth speaking out.

yet you stood by and said nothing when someone wished harm on my daughters. You talk about silence, well you seemed to be pretty silent there yourself. Something you are condemning me for.

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Re: NZ MP Farewells Freedom Fighter
Reply #21 - May 7^th, 2011 at 5:50pm

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 4:38pm:

So, it appears now that we can no longer define freedom fighters from terrorists.

Deborah, I think its always been a case of one man's freedom fighter being another man's terrorist.

The entire concept of "terrorism" has become a farce, designed to delegitimise the actions of enemies and thereby legitimise the actions of the self. It is a self-deluding concept, which we in the West have bought hook, line and sinker, no doubt due to the mass hysteria that was created to faacilitate this acceptance.

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 4:38pm:

He gave up his homeland and went off to do his own thing.
As a rich man he could have done a lot to help his people.
What he did was for his own ego, nothing more, nothing less.

It appears to me the mistake in your reasoning here is that you seem to think Usamah is a Saudi Arabian. He is no more Saudi Arabian than I am Turkmenistani... These countries were all recent concoctions of the colonialists within the last 100 years. His homeland is just as much Afghanistan, as it is Saudi Arabia, as it is Yemen as it is Morrocco, as these are the lands of Islam, and it is the lands of Islaam, and the Muslims that he was defending, not the fabricated little pet kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

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Reply #22 - May 7^th, 2011 at 5:53pm

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yet you stood by and said nothing when someone wished harm on my daughters.

You already seem to be realising that freediver's concept of freedom is a little warped.

Whatever suits his place in the argument is what goes, he couldn't give a damn if someone threatens you or your family, to him that's irrelevant.

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Reply #23 - May 7^th, 2011 at 6:29pm

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The entire concept of "terrorism" has become a farce, designed to delegitimise the actions of enemies and thereby legitimise the actions of the self. It is a self-deluding concept, which we in the West have bought hook, line and sinker, no doubt due to the mass hysteria that was created to faacilitate this acceptance.

I thought Islam also deligitimised Osama's actions. Most Muslims seem to think so at least. Are they lying?

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: NZ MP Farewells Freedom Fighter Reply #24 - May 7^th, 2011 at 7:09pm Why don't you ask them? I can only speak for myself, I have no idea why any Muslim would hold such a view.
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Reply #25 - May 7^th, 2011 at 9:28pm

Abu,
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Funny how you claim to be against all war, and despise Bin Laden since you consider him a warmonger and killer of innocents, yet you have no trouble proudly quoting this butcher (Bush) who ordered the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslim civilians.

Most of the people in Iraq were killed by other Muslims not Bush.
Once again Abu re-writes hsitory.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: NZ MP Farewells Freedom Fighter Reply #26 - May 7^th, 2011 at 9:30pm He has to Bobby .. coz the truth is too much to take.
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Re: NZ MP Farewells Freedom Fighter
Reply #27 - May 7^th, 2011 at 9:42pm

abu_rashid wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 7:09pm:

Why don't you ask them? I can only speak for myself, I have no idea why any Muslim would hold such a view.

I thought you might 'have your finger on pulse' a bit more than me when it comes to the Islamic community. So I am asking you.

It seems you think Islam supports Osama's actions. Does that include 9/11?

Are you aware of what most Muslims think on the matter?

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Re: NZ MP Farewells Freedom Fighter
Reply #28 - May 7^th, 2011 at 9:58pm

Lisa Jones wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 9:30pm:

He has to Bobby .. coz the truth is too much to take.

Hi Lisa,
He drives me crazy.

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If anyone dies in Iraq it has to be the Yanks who did it

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We all know that Muslims made bombs & blew up
innocent people by the hundreds every day in Iraq -
even outside Mosques!

I do know that the embargo on Iraq killed over 100,000 people
due to the lack of supplies of plumbing pipes etc. to ensure safe water.
That was a mistake of the United Nations & Saddam - who was always
making life hard for the WMD inspectors.
He ran a cat & mouse game for 10 years.
Once again - Abu says - that was the Yanks who did it -
re-writing history to always put the Yanks in a bad light.

A little reminder to Abu about history -
the Yanks saved us from being invaded by the Japs in WW2.
We only exist because of the Yanks.

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Re: NZ MP Farewells Freedom Fighter
Reply #29 - May 7^th, 2011 at 10:03pm

abu_rashid wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 5:50pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 4:38pm:

So, it appears now that we can no longer define freedom fighters from terrorists.

Deborah, I think its always been a case of one man's freedom fighter being another man's terrorist.

The entire concept of "terrorism" has become a farce, designed to delegitimise the actions of enemies and thereby legitimise the actions of the self. It is a self-deluding concept, which we in the West have bought hook, line and sinker, no doubt due to the mass hysteria that was created to faacilitate this acceptance.

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 4:38pm:

He gave up his homeland and went off to do his own thing.
As a rich man he could have done a lot to help his people.
What he did was for his own ego, nothing more, nothing less.

It appears to me the mistake in your reasoning here is that you seem to think Usamah is a Saudi Arabian. He is no more Saudi Arabian than I am Turkmenistani... These countries were all recent concoctions of the colonialists within the last 100 years. His homeland is just as much Afghanistan, as it is Saudi Arabia, as it is Yemen as it is Morrocco...

Exactly. Or Malaysia. Or Brunei. Usamah is a brother to all his countrymen and as such is a welcome guest in all Muslim households.

He will be sure to leave a tip.

Salaam Aleikum.

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