abu_rashid wrote on May 7
th, 2011 at 12:57pm:
As the Dutch were not Muslims, yes the Maccassans.
But the situation can be applied wholesale to every land that Muslims ever travelled to. They never eradicated or colonised
or subjugated local populations
, they treated them as equals and offered them membership of the Islamic Caliphate.
Abu,
That is untrue.
ISLAMIC doctrine requires that the native peoples of new lands, be FIRST,
'invited' to embrace ISLAM,
...IF THEY REFUSE, they are required to pay tribute money to moslems,
...IF THEY REFUSE to be pay tribute money to moslems and refuse the subjugation [over their lives] of moslem authority [under Sharia law], then they [and indeed any person] may be, and often were, 'lawfully' slaughtered, for 'offending' Allah/ISLAM.
ISLAM's doctrines, give the lie to what you have said.
ISLAM promotes muslim superiority and ISLAMIC supremacism.
And wherever ISLAM was spread by the sword, moslems always subjugated local native peoples.
Wherever ISLAM was spread 'peacefully' by the persuasion, moslems
subsequently, always forcefully subjugated the remaining local non-moslem peoples.
What you assert, is not in accord with ISLAM's history [of seeking, and imposing ISLAMIC supremacism, upon native peoples], is not in accord with ISLAM's own doctrine [of required moslem superiority], nor is it in accord with what ISLAM's own foundation texts declare.
EVIDENCE in support of my claims...
From ISLAMIC texts..."A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said,
"He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i
"Allah 's Apostle said,
" I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196
"
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book,
until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29
Examples from statements made today, by our contemporary ISLAMIC 'authorities'...Pakistani cleric: 'We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world. We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force.'
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/12/pakistani-cleric-we-want-islamic-law-for-all-p...Creed of the sword
September 23, 2006
...the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh.
...Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained.....THE THIRD OPTION OF VIOLENCE AGAINST NON-MUSLIMS WAS ONLY A LAST RESORT, IF THEY REFUSED TO CONVERT OR SURRENDER PEACEFULLY TO THE ARMIES OF ISLAM.
...The resulting doctrine of war was described by the great medieval philosopher Ibn Khaldun: "In the Muslim community, the holy war (jihad) is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the (Muslim) mission and the (obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force." (The Muqaddimah)
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/creed-of-the-sword/story-e6frg6n6-111111225...n.b.
"...In the Muslim community, the holy war (jihad) is a religious duty"
"...the (obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force."
In another example, a respected moslem community spokesman has told Australian moslems that they must shun "secular and erroneous concepts such as democracy and freedom".
"Leaders of the global Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir have called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam....
British Hizb ut-Tahrir leader Burhan Hanif told participants at a conference in western Sydney yesterday that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law.
"We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone," Mr Hanif told about 500 participants attending the convention in Lidcombe."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-countr...All moslems understand that under authentic ISLAM, all moslems have
a religious obligation to undermine and destroy any other [societal] authority, and replace it with Sharia [ISLAMIC law].
An Oz moslem cleric, explains ISLAM's reason for being....
IMAGE
Australian Islamic leader defends jihad.
".....Abu Bakr says he does not accept other religions.
"I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other religion. It doesn't tolerate," he said.
"The only one law which needs to spread, it can be here or anywhere else, is Islam." "
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1430551.htmAbu ???
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