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Right, so if a man caught a 14 yo. girl shoplifting from his shop and locked her in his cellar for 6 months, you support that? How disgusting, that's so despicable (<--- In case you aren't intelligent enough to realise, that's precisely how you've argued so far in this discussion)

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I guess that's because rather than look to what he said, you looked only at U.S media propaganda.

"I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. Neither I had any knowledge of these attacks nor I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children, and other people. Such a practice is forbidden ever in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children, and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam." (Sheikh Usamah Bin Laden, 28/09/2001)

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So which is which? And which is terrorism? Even if we accept the U.S accusations about Usamah Bin Laden, then how do we know they were not collateral damage? The targets were the Pentagon, White House, and U.N, the fact civilians were in all 3 were just an unfortunate side effect... no? Don't tell me you actually believe the U.S apologies time and again after they murder civilians, they couldn't give a damn, they know going into each bombing raid, or imposing sanctions that they're going to be killing a whole heap of civilians, as Albright said about the deaths of half a million Iraqi kids "We think it's worth it".

Those who think it's worth it will inevitably suffer the same fate... what goes around will inevitably come around. So don't complain when it comes back and bites you. The West celebrated lighting up Baghdad and other Muslim cities, and so too their cities were eventually "lit up". The anger is not about what's been done, it's about the idea it could be done to them. When it comes down to it at the end of the day, the U.S have no qualms committing these kinds of acts, they're just angry that being the world's most technologically advanced civilisation that someone can still do it to them.

Abu says that Osama didn't do it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden
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Abu,
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Clever fallacious argument by you.
I asked you about official Sharia law not vigilante law in my last question
but you ignored it & stuck with the original question!

Anyway quite clearly I'm not alone in believing no credible evidence has been provided that Usamah did it.

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A lot more than you think. There's also plenty more who do not know, but unlike you they do not instantly assume his guilt.

Here's an interesting quote about Usamah from the book written about him by the former head of the CIA's Bin Laden tracking unit, Michael Scheuer:

“As to bin Laden himself, Americans have been told that he is many things, but virtually none of the portraits of him feature his piety, generosity, personal bravery, strategic ability, charisma and patience.”

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No, since like yours it's mixing up this act with shari'ah, it's based on misconceptions and lies from the beginning and is therefore not worth answering.

Bobby. wrote on May 8^th, 2011 at 12:27pm:


this is like the times of the Inquisition where anyone could accuse any woman of being a witch and she would certainly be tortured to death at the hands of the Catholic church

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It is hard to understand your criticism then Abu. These people got together in an organised manner and meted out a punishment that, as far as I can tell, is indistinguishable from Islam. You however claim that it is different and therefor somehow invalid, but you cannot explain the difference. Is the only difference that you don't recognise their authority because they don't have a formal caliphate? That is, is your argument the 'Islam does not exist' argument?

fd, the major problem with your question is that it relates to a specific event, which was not carried out within a shari'ah jurisdiction, therefore equating it to shari'ah is just moot.

It cannot be compared to shari'ah or judged according to shari'ah, since it's nothing to do with shari'ah. You've asked me to give my opinion of it, and I have (several times over), you don't seem content with that though, instead you want to try and twist it into an attempt to transpose this event onto a theoretical existence of a Caliphate, which is just pointless.