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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106588 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Young Girl lashed to death. Reply #30 - May 9^th, 2011 at 10:27pm Yes Abu - what is the correct Sharia punishment for a 14 year old girl who commits adultery?
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Reply #31 - May 9^th, 2011 at 11:25pm

The very question is littered with nonsensical insinuations.

What's the punishment for a 14 yo. shoplifter in Australian society? Is it incarceration? If so, then I accuse you of wanting to chain up young girls inside your cellar.

This is your argument... it's ridiculous, and really does not warrant a response.

The Islamic punishment for any sane adult who commits adultery is well known, why you are persisting in this childish little attempt to twist situations and apply them to the original story of this thread is beyond me. You seem to think it says something, but it says nothing, other than how simple you are. Your minds are one track, they get stuck in that track, and then they become repetitive.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106588 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Young Girl lashed to death. Reply #32 - May 10^th, 2011 at 7:49am Abu, Quote: The Islamic punishment for any sane adult who commits adultery is well known I don't know it. I assume then that it is 101 lashes with a cane on the bare buttocks? You are supposed to be the Islamic scholar here who tells us the answers - instead we get talk in riddles.
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Reply #33 - May 10^th, 2011 at 9:49am

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2011 at 6:10pm:

abu_rashid wrote on May 8^th, 2011 at 1:27pm:

bobby, "imam" merely means someone who leads prayers. Some days at my local masjid I am "imam"... it means nothing, as Islam has no such thing as a clergy.

These people are backwards ignorant uneducated vigilantes, and nothing more. They should be arrested and executed for murder, case closed, and THAT is sharia.

So what would the 'proper' Islamic punishment have been? Only 90 lashes?

The punishment would be listening to your stupidity for 90 days. That would be far more painful then 90 lashes.

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Reply #34 - May 10^th, 2011 at 9:51am

Bobby. wrote on May 8^th, 2011 at 7:29pm:

abu_rashid wrote on May 8^th, 2011 at 7:13pm:

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Abu says that Osama didn't do it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden

That quote does not say he carried out the WTC bombing.

Whilst above, we have a clear and open statement from him denying that specific act.

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I asked you about official Sharia law not vigilante law in my last question
but you ignored it & stuck with the original question!

This case has nothing to do with Shari'ah law, that's all that is relevant to this thread. Trying to then go off on tangents about hypotheticals is pointless.

There are not too many people who would say that Osama was innocent!

Well - will you answer Freediver's question then?
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So what would the 'proper' Islamic punishment have been? Only 90 lashes?

Do you have proof that he was guilty. THe onus is on you to provide the proof....you know, innocent until proven guilty and all that.

Or do you reject this underlying right in western courts?

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Reply #35 - May 10^th, 2011 at 9:55am

Bobby. wrote on May 8^th, 2011 at 8:33pm:

Nail.
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this is like the times of the Inquisition where anyone could accuse any woman of being a witch and she would certainly be tortured to death at the hands of the Catholic church

Hi Nail,
It's almost impossible to believe that there are some people who
want to go back to laws which are at least 1500 years old.
Abu is one who does.

Actually far longer then that....the Bible states that the punishment for adultery is stoning.

Islam requires 4 witnesses..something the bible does not. At the end of day, I suspect its not the punishment you object to...but the crime. You don't believe adultery/fornication to be a crime.

Am I correct?

Speaking of stupid laws..how do you feel about a man who punched a 6 month old to death, getting 6 months jail.

Now I wonder where that occurred?

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Reply #36 - May 10^th, 2011 at 9:56am

Lisa Jones wrote on May 9^th, 2011 at 6:29pm:

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No, since like yours it's mixing up this act with shari'ah, it's based on misconceptions and lies from the beginning and is therefore not worth answering.

In other words ... once more .. you can't come to terms with it all .. and as such you feel compelled to push it under the carpet of denial.

At least you're consistent Abu.

Why...whenever I read your posts, does the word 'bimbo' come to mind. Cheesy

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Reply #37 - May 10^th, 2011 at 10:01am

Lestat wrote on May 10^th, 2011 at 9:51am:

Do you have proof that he was guilty. THe onus is on you to provide the proof....you know, innocent until proven guilty and all that.

Or do you reject this underlying right in western courts?

That is not an absolute right in Australia, in those cases the reverse onius of proof is applied, thankfully not very often.

Maybe the US executed him under sharia law where no proof is required at all.

The world has one less terrorist and a very expensive trial was avoided, a bloody good outcome if you ask me. Grin

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Reply #38 - May 10^th, 2011 at 10:06am

BigOl64 wrote on May 10^th, 2011 at 10:01am:

That is not an absolute right in Australia, in those cases the reverse onius of proof is applied, thankfully not very often.

Which cases are they? Criminal cases? As far as I am aware, the reverse onus of proof is/can only be applied in civil cases.

BigOl64 wrote on May 10^th, 2011 at 10:01am:

Maybe the US executed him under sharia law where no proof is required at all.

Actually, under Shariah law the onus for proof is far stronger then under western laws...but hey, don't let the truth get in the way of your ignorance.

BigOl64 wrote on May 10^th, 2011 at 10:01am:

The world has one less terrorist and a very expensive trial was avoided, a bloody good outcome if you ask me. Grin

Spoken like a true barbarian. Your mother would be proud. Cheesy

THose 3000 odd western uniformed terrosists killed in Afghanistan and Iraq is a far greater outcome if you ask me. Isn't it great when murderers get a dose of their own medicine???

And when Bush/Blair and those other terrorist leaders are targetted...don't whine like the b(tch you are. The precedent has been set.

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Reply #39 - May 10^th, 2011 at 10:20am

Lestat wrote on May 10^th, 2011 at 10:06am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 10^th, 2011 at 10:01am:

That is not an absolute right in Australia, in those cases the reverse onius of proof is applied, thankfully not very often.

Which cases are they? Criminal cases? As far as I am aware, the reverse onus of proof is/can only be applied in civil cases.

BigOl64 wrote on May 10^th, 2011 at 10:01am:

Maybe the US executed him under sharia law where no proof is required at all.

Actually, under Shariah law the onus for proof is far stronger then under western laws...but hey, don't let the truth get in the way of your ignorance.

BigOl64 wrote on May 10^th, 2011 at 10:01am:

The world has one less terrorist and a very expensive trial was avoided, a bloody good outcome if you ask me. Grin

Spoken like a true barbarian. Your mother would be proud. Cheesy

THose 3000 odd western uniformed terrosists killed in Afghanistan and Iraq is a far greater outcome if you ask me. Isn't it great when murderers get a dose of their own medicine???

And when Bush/Blair and those other terrorist leaders are targetted...don't whine like the b(tch you are. The precedent has been set.

As for reverse onus of proof check out the Gretley Mine trial on auslii, the first time it was applied in NSW for the deaths of 4 miners.

The rest of your post was drivel so I won't bother replying, if that's ok with you.

I see your hatred of Aussie soldiers continues, as 23 of those 3000 were our people; Im suprised ASIO and the feds haven't kicked down on your door yet.

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Reply #40 - May 10^th, 2011 at 10:25am

BigOl64 wrote on May 10^th, 2011 at 10:20am: