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Reply #30 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 11:05am
 
Yes Phil. My feeling is that if Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11 he got what he deserved.

However I also have doubts.

As you say his group denied responsibility and it is a group which had previously been proud to claim responsibility for other actions.

They had been identified within days of the incident and only really accused by the same guys who told us that they had proof that Iraq had WMD's etc. (hardly a credible source)

In a situation where the US intelligence had to find someone to point the finger at quickly to restore their own credibility it would not be difficult to see them finding a scapegoat answer - someone who they knew to be a bad guy and deserved it anyway. (for other reasons)

I hope he was responsible for this but I somewhat doubt it.
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Reply #31 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 11:06am
 
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Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands.

Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said




You gotta be knidding me right Philperth ?


Who exactly is Osama bin laden ? what made him famous ? HIS IS A LEADER OF A GLOBAL ISLAMIC TERRORIST GROUP WHO ATTRACT MUSLIM TERROR JUNKIES WHO GO OUT AND ABOUT BLOWING UP CIVILAINS,
WOMEN AND CHILDREN
ALONG WITH MILITARY PEOPLE WORLDWIDE.


But then again I suspect that THERE WOULD BE LEFTIES OUT THERE WHO WOULD SYMPATHIZE WITH THE DEVIL WHO SHARES IN SOME OF THERE ANTI AMERICA MANTRA, AND BELIEVE THAT A LEADER OF A TERRORIST ORGANISATION LIKE BIN LADEN IS INCAPABLE OF LYING WHEN HE SAYS HE DIDNT KILL ANYONE IN NEW YORK ON 9/11.
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Reply #32 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 11:10am
 
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In a situation where the US intelligence had to find someone to point the finger at quickly to restore their own credibility it would not be difficult to see them finding a scapegoat answer - someone who they knew to be a bad guy and deserved it anyway. (for other reasons)

I hope he was responsible for this but I somewhat doubt it.

   
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Really, I guess you might be getting swayed to believe that the American government like Bush and the CIA committed this brutal act AGAINST THERE OWN PEOPLE, is that the other alternative your leaning on ???
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Reply #33 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 11:24am
 
stryder wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 11:10am:
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In a situation where the US intelligence had to find someone to point the finger at quickly to restore their own credibility it would not be difficult to see them finding a scapegoat answer - someone who they knew to be a bad guy and deserved it anyway. (for other reasons)

I hope he was responsible for this but I somewhat doubt it.

   
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Really, I guess you might be getting swayed to believe that the American government like Bush and the CIA committed this brutal act AGAINST THERE OWN PEOPLE, is that the other alternative your leaning on ???



No I find it impossible to believe that, though there are definatly unexplained components of the story.

Too much of what happened makes no sense at all and has never been adequatly explained.
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Reply #34 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 11:31am
 
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No I find it impossible to believe that, though there are definatly unexplained components of the story.


And what are the unexplained components to this story that would make you think and question what the established mainstream version is that Al Qaeda which is said to be controlled and under the leadership of Osama bin laden in that time was responsible for 9/11 ???

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Reply #35 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 11:36am
 
stryder wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 11:31am:
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No I find it impossible to believe that, though there are definatly unexplained components of the story.


would make you think and question what the established mainstream version is that Al Qaeda which is said to be controlled and under the leadership of Osama bin laden in that time was responsible for 9/11 ???



What can you show to confirm that this is correct as I said I find nothing except the words from a known unreliable source.
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Reply #36 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 11:40am
 
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I suspect that THERE WOULD BE LEFTIES OUT THERE WHO WOULD SYMPATHIZE WITH THE DEVIL WHO SHARES IN SOME OF THERE ANTI AMERICA MANTRA, AND BELIEVE THAT A LEADER OF A TERRORIST ORGANISATION LIKE BIN LADEN IS INCAPABLE OF LYING WHEN HE SAYS HE DIDNT KILL ANYONE IN NEW YORK ON 9/11.


I suspect that THERE WOULD BE RIGHTIES OUT THERE WHO WOULD SYMPATHIZE WITH THE GOD WHO SHARES IN SOME OF THEIR  AMERICAN MANTRA, AND BELIEVE THAT THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD,  LIKE GRORGE BUSH WOULD BR INCAPABLE OF LYING WHEN HE SAYS IRAQ HAS WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE 9/11 ATTACKS.
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Reply #37 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 11:45am
 
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I suspect that THERE WOULD BE RIGHTIES OUT THERE WHO WOULD SYMPATHIZE WITH THE GOD WHO SHARES IN SOME OF THEIR  AMERICAN MANTRA, AND BELIEVE THAT THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD,  LIKE GRORGE BUSH WOULD BR INCAPABLE OF LYING WHEN HE SAYS IRAQ HAS WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE 9/11 ATTACKS.


I guess Saddam Hussien is more appealing than George W Bush to GREY,  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #38 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 11:48am
 
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What can you show to confirm that this is correct as I said I find nothing except the words from a known unreliable source.



You are the one in question over the official mainstream version of the story behind 9/11, you are the one that maybe entertaining the idea that it was an INSIDE JOB, ????
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Reply #39 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 11:55am
 
That would be mean that the other alternative is that GEORGE W BUSH AND HIS ENTIRE PRESIDENCY HAD SUCCESSFULLY STAGE AN ATTACK ON 9/11 TO INFLICT CARNAGE, DAMAGE AND KILLING AROUND 3000 PEOPLE ON THAT DAY, AND BLAME ON PRETTY RADICAL MUSLIM TERRORIST OUTFIT, NOW THAT WOULD BE DEFINED AS A
CONSPIRACY.


You think you could believe that kind of evil, devious and mind blowing conspiracy of that kind could come OUT OF AN AMERICAN GOVERNMENT, ???? Dnaever


Of course not, so what other explanation it could be ??
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Reply #40 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 11:57am
 
stryder wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 11:06am:


And what are the unexplained components to this story that would make you think and question what the established mainstream version is that Al Qaeda which is said to be controlled and under the leadership of Osama bin laden in that time was responsible for 9/11 ???



I never said that the unexplained components of the story had a relationship to who caused it to happen.

My understanding for years had been that for a building to collapse down on itself in a controlled manner was extremely unlikely. This is the reason that demolition teams were routinely employed to plan and execute building demolition at a huge expense.

That day 4 buildings collapsed in a controlled manner - not one slewed off sideways or toppled over they all went straight down, two collapsed (the twin buildings) under a situation they were supposedly designed to withstand.

The other two for not much reason at all. I would have thought that this would be about a million to one occurrence.

Obviously if not the demolition industry had been ripping off its customers for years as buildings just naturally collapse straight down in a controlled manner though I do not know of one other instance where this happened.

The plane which crashed into the pentagon which left a whole too small for the plane to fit inside but also left no wreckage outside.

The wings would not have fitted into the building but there was absolutely nothing on the ground.

No whole in the ground no indication of fire no bits of wing or engines - just nothing at all.

How did this happen – I have no idea.

Everywhere you look at this story you find points which are difficult to believe.

I can not believe that the US did this themself but there is more here than we have been told.
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Reply #41 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 12:03pm
 
stryder wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 11:48am:
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What can you show to confirm that this is correct as I said I find nothing except the words from a known unreliable source.



You are the one in question over the official mainstream version of the story behind 9/11, you are the one that maybe entertaining the idea that it was an INSIDE JOB, ????



Please do not put words in my keyboard. I never said that and in fact have refuted it twice. I do not believe that it was an insider job, that is too horrible to contemplate.
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Reply #42 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 12:09pm
 
stryder wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 11:31am:
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No I find it impossible to believe that, though there are definatly unexplained components of the story.


question what the established mainstream version is that Al Qaeda which is said to be controlled and under the leadership of Osama bin laden in that time was responsible for 9/11 ???



The point is that there is nothing in the mainstream version which actually supports that it was Bin Laden who was responsible.

It is just there - common knowledge and statments but it is actually not backed with any real data.

All I am saying is that I din't know either way if he was responsible or not.
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Reply #43 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 12:10pm
 
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My understanding for years had been that for a building to collapse down on itself in a controlled manner was extremely unlikely. This is the reason that demolition teams were routinely employed to plan and execute building demolition at a huge expense.



I guess you have more understanding than most about how the WAYS a building should fall after being hit by a commercial jet plane within the realm of physics ????
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Reply #44 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 12:48pm
 
stryder wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 12:10pm:
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My understanding for years had been that for a building to collapse down on itself in a controlled manner was extremely unlikely. This is the reason that demolition teams were routinely employed to plan and execute building demolition at a huge expense.



I guess you have more understanding than most about the WAYS a building should fall within the realm of physics ????

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=building+collapse&hl=en&biw=1680&bih=916&prmd=...

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My understanding has always been that this type of building failure is by far the most likely.

Maybe they are now designed to fall in a controlled manner but I have never heard of this being the case.

To my knowledge a building to collapse in a controlled manner naturally would be rare but for 4 buildings in the same location to do it on the same day without any explanation is very difficult to believe.
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