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Reply #30 - May 16^th, 2011 at 11:35am

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Last week John Scales, of JWS research, polled 2141 people in the 10 most marginal Labor seats and the 10 most marginal Coalition seats. Asked which, of the past five, had been the best government for Australia, 50 per cent nominated the Howard government, followed by 13 per cent for the Keating government, 13 per cent for the Hawke government, 12 per cent for the Rudd government, 8 per cent were unsure and, bringing up the rear, were the 4 per cent who nominated the Gillard government.

Meaningless dribble. The only chance the Libs have is to talk up an early election and they have Buckley's of doing that. Grin

Their economic credibility is zero and they havent even the nouse to elect a popular leader.

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Reply #31 - May 16^th, 2011 at 11:36am

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 11:06am:

On Polls - Labor are relying on delivery over the next 2 years to pull them out of the mire.Whether this works or not is anyone's guess.
One thing we can put money on is the relentless carping of Abbott.
Not to try & defend Gillard but I must ask myself what is the agenda of the Murdoch press, do they own Abbott & the Liberal party,they are even more negative than Abbott to the point of blatant lies in misleading articles as pointed out on yesterdays Insiders.

On Woody - You might'n have liked what he posted but he was consistent, he supported the Greens & argued their case, which by the way if we substitute Liberal for Green in that sentence we have both Mr Weekend & Mr Hicks.
Plenty would dance on both your graves if you left, but I am & would be saddened at the loss of diversity of opinions.

On Polls - agreed. Election is at this stage 2 years away. Anything can happen. But to be honest, the way they are going, Labor is not looking too fresh, and I think the drop will either continue, or stabilise around the 34-35, with them bound to lose from the current observations.

All Gillard needs to do is stop playing to Abbott's whining. Stand up, get some balls, and just go ahead and push forward with policy; and ignore it. Eventually people may see that there are 2 options: an option for a government that wants to act, and an option for a government that just whines.

Because at the moment she is playing to him all the time. The budget, the Asylum Seeker "solution", and so on.

On the News - Agreed 100%. Longie, news make up community opinion, and don't pretend it reflects opinion rather than the private interest of a few. If you actually believe that the news presents unbiased views, from News Ltd. AND Fairfax, then you've got something completely wrong with your eyesight and I suggest you check it out.

On people leaving - I too would be sad to see the some people leave. But not Hicks.

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Re: Labor and Greens dropping like a stone!
Reply #32 - May 16^th, 2011 at 11:39am

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 9:56am:

Notice how the laborites avoid this like the plague??

where is buzz who was so in-your-face two years ago when the libs were behind 16%??

Hiding would be my guess!

He's NEVER far away
Working all weekend

He has BILLS to pay ...

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We have just had fitted, last Thursday, SIXTEEN solar panels
This SHOULD generate around 150% of our daily consumption – creating a quarterly feed-back rebate cheque from ORIGIN ENERGY

On the same day, we had installed a heat pump hot water service ...

http://www.quantumenergy.com.au/about-heat-pumps/the-heat-pump-explained-12.aspx

... which uses around ONE THIRD of the electricity of the traditional unit

NOT good, on the Newspoll front

But I would rather the Government LOST the next Federal Election than get cold feet on climate change

We will have a legacy of ...

Apologies to the Stolen Generation and British child migrants
Ratification of Kyoto
The burial of WorkChoices
The BEST National Broadband Network in the world
Fully funded parental leave scheme
Increased pensions, and overhauled pension payment system
Raised child care rebate to 50%
Introduced tax rebate for children’s education expenses
Introduced free dental checks for teenagers
Funded cancer centres
Underwrote banks and Australians’ savings, keeping confidence high during GFC
Built GP super clinics

And closer to home ...

Thousands in rebate for solar panels and low energy hot water service

I can live with that

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In 1998, Howard’s Government was on the ropes. It was beset by corruption (five ministers lost in one year) , torn apart by how to handle Pauline Hanson and led by an unpopular leader.

It was only because it was in such trouble that it turned to the GST as a circuit breaker, a big idea to reset the agenda and it worked. In fact, there’s a good argument that had Howard not been in such trouble in 1998, the Government never would have risked the GST

It was only because it was in such trouble that it turned to the GST as a circuit breaker, a big idea to reset the agenda and it worked. In fact, there’s a good argument that had Howard not been in such trouble in 1998, the Government never would have risked the GST.

Consider the facts:

Howard launched the GST package on August 13, 1998.

Leading up to the launch Labor had opened up a pretty consistent lead in Newspoll:

Newspoll June 26-28, 1998 LNP 34 ALP 45
Newspoll July10-12, 1998 LNP 37 ALP 40
Newspoll July 24-26, 1998 LNP 35 ALP 41
Newspoll August 7-9, 1998 LNP 39 ALP 39

The first poll after the GST package (August 14-16) had the coalition ahead 44-39! It was the first time the coalition had been ahead since May.

Kim Beazley led John Howard as preferred PM through most of 1998 until Howard launched the GST. The poll following the GST launch was the first time Howard had led Beazley since May

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Re: Labor and Greens dropping like a stone!
Reply #33 - May 16^th, 2011 at 11:54am

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 11:24am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 11:18am:

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Not to try & defend Gillard but I must ask myself what is the agenda of the Murdoch press, do they own Abbott & the Liberal party,they are even more negative than Abbott to the point of blatant lies in misleading articles as pointed out on yesterdays Insiders.

and in 2007 the same press support Rudd. You cant have it both ways.

and after all, the press is very accurately reflecting community opinion.

Not trying to have it anyway.
Just posing the question (in a roundabout way) are we happy for a news empire to not only make news but to also MAKEUP news?
Shouldn't they just report it?
Newstainment is a curse not an asset

I woudl agree that media should be politically neutral but at the same time that is unlikely to be true. it has been a long history in australia for newspapers to support one side in an election and formally do so. in 2007 the Howard govt copped the same bad press as Gillard is getting now. some of it was unfair but to be honest, most of Gillards bad press at the moment is of her own making. shes a terrible tactician, an apalling public performer and appears hopelessly compromised. the press is mainly just declaring that she is a dead duck - which she is!

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Re: Labor and Greens dropping like a stone!
Reply #34 - May 16^th, 2011 at 12:08pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 11:54am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 11:24am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 11:18am:

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Not to try & defend Gillard but I must ask myself what is the agenda of the Murdoch press, do they own Abbott & the Liberal party,they are even more negative than Abbott to the point of blatant lies in misleading articles as pointed out on yesterdays Insiders.

and in 2007 the same press support Rudd. You cant have it both ways.

and after all, the press is very accurately reflecting community opinion.

Not trying to have it anyway.
Just posing the question (in a roundabout way) are we happy for a news empire to not only make news but to also MAKEUP news?
Shouldn't they just report it?
Newstainment is a curse not an asset

I woudl agree that media should be politically neutral but at the same time that is unlikely to be true. it has been a long history in australia for newspapers to support one side in an election and formally do so. in 2007 the Howard govt copped the same bad press as Gillard is getting now. some of it was unfair but to be honest, most of Gillards bad press at the moment is of her own making. shes a terrible tactician, an apalling public performer and appears hopelessly compromised. the press is mainly just declaring that she is a dead duck - which she is!

Any truth in the rumour that Mark Latham is out buying some new suits.
Perhaps he's waiting for the call.

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Re: Labor and Greens dropping like a stone!
Reply #35 - May 16^th, 2011 at 12:10pm

And predictably, Buzzard harkens to the past to find solace in the near destuction of his beloved labor party.

get used to it. As I told you 2 years ago when you were frothing at the mouth with delight at the liberals poll woes, these things come in cycles. You chose to not beleive it and are now proven comprehensively wrong.

and you pretty much imaginary list of 'acheivements' includes a lot of things that were either symbolic or havent in fact happened yet and prob wont.

My personal favourite was the labor program for building houses for aborigines in the NT. at the last report they had spent $40M of their budget but had not yet constructed a SINGLE HOUSE.

labor - a synonym for incompetent.

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Re: Labor and Greens dropping like a stone!
Reply #36 - May 16^th, 2011 at 12:10pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 11:54am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 11:24am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 11:18am:

Quote:

Not to try & defend Gillard but I must ask myself what is the agenda of the Murdoch press, do they own Abbott & the Liberal party,they are even more negative than Abbott to the point of blatant lies in misleading articles as pointed out on yesterdays Insiders.

and in 2007 the same press support Rudd. You cant have it both ways.

and after all, the press is very accurately reflecting community opinion.

Not trying to have it anyway.
Just posing the question (in a roundabout way) are we happy for a news empire to not only make news but to also MAKEUP news?
Shouldn't they just report it?
Newstainment is a curse not an asset

I woudl agree that media should be politically neutral but at the same time that is unlikely to be true. it has been a long history in australia for newspapers to support one side in an election and formally do so. in 2007 the Howard govt copped the same bad press as Gillard is getting now. some of it was unfair but to be honest, most of Gillards bad press at the moment is of her own making. shes a terrible tactician, an apalling public performer and appears hopelessly compromised. the press is mainly just declaring that she is a dead duck - which she is!

Any truth in the rumour that Mark Latham is out buying some new suits.
Perhaps he's waiting for the call.

I reckon Rudd might be tho!

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Re: Labor and Greens dropping like a stone!
Reply #37 - May 16^th, 2011 at 12:17pm

buzzanddidj wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 11:39am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 9:56am:

Notice how the laborites avoid this like the plague??

where is buzz who was so in-your-face two years ago when the libs were behind 16%??

Hiding would be my guess!

He's NEVER far away
Working all weekend

He has BILLS to pay ...

Quote:

We have just had fitted, last Thursday, SIXTEEN solar panels
This SHOULD generate around 150% of our daily consumption – creating a quarterly feed-back rebate cheque from ORIGIN ENERGY

On the same day, we had installed a heat pump hot water service ...

http://www.quantumenergy.com.au/about-heat-pumps/the-heat-pump-explained-12.aspx

... which uses around ONE THIRD of the electricity of the traditional unit

NOT good, on the Newspoll front

But I would rather the Government LOST the next Federal Election than get cold feet on climate change

We will have a legacy of ...

Apologies to the Stolen Generation and British child migrants
Ratification of Kyoto
The burial of WorkChoices
The BEST National Broadband Network in the world
Fully funded parental leave scheme
Increased pensions, and overhauled pension payment system
Raised child care rebate to 50%
Introduced tax rebate for children’s education expenses
Introduced free dental checks for teenagers
Funded cancer centres
Underwrote banks and Australians’ savings, keeping confidence high during GFC
Built GP super clinics

And closer to home ...

Thousands in rebate for solar panels and low energy hot water service

I can live with that

Noteworthy ...

Quote:

In 1998, Howard’s Government was on the ropes. It was beset by corruption (five ministers lost in one year) , torn apart by how to handle Pauline Hanson and led by an unpopular leader.

It was only because it was in such trouble that it turned to the GST as a circuit breaker, a big idea to reset the agenda and it worked. In fact, there’s a good argument that had Howard not been in such trouble in 1998, the Government never would have risked the GST

It was only because it was in such trouble that it turned to the GST as a circuit breaker, a big idea to reset the agenda and it worked. In fact, there’s a good argument that had Howard not been in such trouble in 1998, the Government never would have risked the GST.

Consider the facts:

Howard launched the GST package on August 13, 1998.

Leading up to the launch Labor had opened up a pretty consistent lead in Newspoll:

Newspoll June 26-28, 1998 LNP 34 ALP 45
Newspoll July10-12, 1998 LNP 37 ALP 40
Newspoll July 24-26, 1998 LNP 35 ALP 41
Newspoll August 7-9, 1998 LNP 39 ALP 39

The first poll after the GST package (August 14-16) had the coalition ahead 44-39! It was the first time the coalition had been ahead since May.

Kim Beazley led John Howard as preferred PM through most of 1998 until Howard launched the GST. The poll following the GST launch was the first time Howard had led Beazley since May

I think that's built Super GP clinic, not clinics Buzz.
As in one only.
Another Labor Albatross waiting to take off.

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Re: Labor and Greens dropping like a stone!
Reply #38 - May 16^th, 2011 at 12:25pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 11:54am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 11:24am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 11:18am:

Quote:

Not to try & defend Gillard but I must ask myself what is the agenda of the Murdoch press, do they own Abbott & the Liberal party,they are even more negative than Abbott to the point of blatant lies in misleading articles as pointed out on yesterdays Insiders.

and in 2007 the same press support Rudd. You cant have it both ways.

and after all, the press is very accurately reflecting community opinion.

Not trying to have it anyway.
Just posing the question (in a roundabout way) are we happy for a news empire to not only make news but to also MAKEUP news?
Shouldn't they just report it?
Newstainment is a curse not an asset

I woudl agree that media should be politically neutral but at the same time that is unlikely to be true. it has been a long history in australia for newspapers to support one side in an election and formally do so. in 2007 the Howard govt copped the same bad press as Gillard is getting now. some of it was unfair but to be honest, most of Gillards bad press at the moment is of her own making. shes a terrible tactician, an apalling public performer and appears hopelessly compromised. the press is mainly just declaring that she is a dead duck - which she is!

Yes newspaper have traditionally come out in favour of one side or the other IN ELECTION CAMPAIGNS, this I don't really have a problem with.
We aren't in an election campaign it's another 2 years away yet the show(comedy/horror) goes on pushing an agenda.
As I said why, what's in it for them???????

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Re: Labor and Greens dropping like a stone!
Reply #39 - May 16^th, 2011 at 12:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:10pm:

My personal favourite was the labor program for building houses for aborigines in the NT. at the last report they had spent $40M of their budget but had not yet constructed a SINGLE HOUSE.

Indigenous housing exceeds targets

STAFF WRITERS
January 4th, 2011

THE Federal Government says its indigenous housing program in the Northern Territory exceeded building and employment targets during 2010.

Almost

1200 families

in remote communities now have improved housing, with

174 new houses

built and

1023 rebuilds and refurbishments

completed under the

Strategic Indigenous Housing and Infrastructure Program.

The program has also exceeded its employment target.

The program also aimed to employ indigenous people at a rate of one in five.
The rate achieved was closer to one in three.

Federal Indigenous Affairs Minister Jenny Macklin, in releasing the figures on Monday, said the Government was rolling out new houses, rebuilds and refurbishments in the NT as quickly as possible. "Getting housing right is critical to closing the gap on indigenous disadvantage," she said in a statement.

The Government's commitment to the program is 750 new houses, 230 rebuilds and 2500 refurbishments, she said

http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2011/01/04/204951_ntnews.html

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Reply #40 - May 16^th, 2011 at 12:28pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:25pm:

Yes newspaper have traditionally come out in favour of one side or the other IN ELECTION CAMPAIGNS, this I don't really have a problem with.
We aren't in an election campaign it's another 2 years away yet the show(comedy/horror) goes on pushing an agenda.
As I said why, what's in it for them???????

perhaps Murdoch is hoping that if the Coalition win, they'll drop the NBN, introduce "faster" mobile broadband, causing more people to take up things such as ipads which he is banking on for his new revenue stream to replace the dying printed news stream.

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Re: Labor and Greens dropping like a stone!
Reply #41 - May 16^th, 2011 at 12:36pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:10pm:

As I told you 2 years ago when you were frothing at the mouth with delight at the liberals poll woes, these things come in cycles. You chose to not beleive it and are now proven comprehensively wrong.
.

Wrong ?
Not at ALL

Back them I claimed Labor would ROMP it in "if an election were held TODAY"

NOT "if an election were held in two years time"

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Reply #42 - May 16^th, 2011 at 12:38pm

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Eventually people may see that there are 2 options: an option for a government that wants to act, and an option for a government that just whines.

As Tingall said on Insiders yesterday, the public will be sick of Abbotts whining and lies in two years from now, he either has to aim up, or piss off and give someone capable of policy formation a go.
if Gillard holds on for the next two years, she'll beat Abbott. if the Libs install a new leader between now and then, she's f.c.ed.

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Re: Labor and Greens dropping like a stone!
Reply #44 - May 16^th, 2011 at 12:42pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:17pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 11:39am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 9:56am:

Notice how the laborites avoid this like the plague??

where is buzz who was so in-your-face two years ago when the libs were behind 16%??

Hiding would be my guess!

He's NEVER far away
Working all weekend

He has BILLS to pay ...

Quote:

We have just had fitted, last Thursday, SIXTEEN solar panels
This SHOULD generate around 150% of our daily consumption – creating a quarterly feed-back rebate cheque from ORIGIN ENERGY

On the same day, we had installed a heat pump hot water service ...

http://www.quantumenergy.com.au/about-heat-pumps/the-heat-pump-explained-12.aspx

... which uses around ONE THIRD of the electricity of the traditional unit

NOT good, on the Newspoll front

But I would rather the Government LOST the next Federal Election than get cold feet on climate change

We will have a legacy of ...

Apologies to the Stolen Generation and British child migrants
Ratification of Kyoto
The burial of WorkChoices
The BEST National Broadband Network in the world
Fully funded parental leave scheme
Increased pensions, and overhauled pension payment system
Raised child care rebate to 50%
Introduced tax rebate for children’s education expenses
Introduced free dental checks for teenagers
Funded cancer centres
Underwrote banks and Australians’ savings, keeping confidence high during GFC
Built GP super clinics

And closer to home ...

Thousands in rebate for solar panels and low energy hot water service

I can live with that

Noteworthy ...

Quote:

In 1998, Howard’s Government was on the ropes. It was beset by corruption (five ministers lost in one year) , torn apart by how to handle Pauline Hanson and led by an unpopular leader.

It was only because it was in such trouble that it turned to the GST as a circuit breaker, a big idea to reset the agenda and it worked. In fact, there’s a good argument that had Howard not been in such trouble in 1998, the Government never would have risked the GST

It was only because it was in such trouble that it turned to the GST as a circuit breaker, a big idea to reset the agenda and it worked. In fact, there’s a good argument that had Howard not been in such trouble in 1998, the Government never would have risked the GST.

Consider the facts:

Howard launched the GST package on August 13, 1998.

Leading up to the launch Labor had opened up a pretty consistent lead in Newspoll:

Newspoll June 26-28, 1998 LNP 34 ALP 45
Newspoll July10-12, 1998 LNP 37 ALP 40
Newspoll July 24-26, 1998 LNP 35 ALP 41
Newspoll August 7-9, 1998 LNP 39 ALP 39

The first poll after the GST package (August 14-16) had the coalition ahead 44-39! It was the first time the coalition had been ahead since May.

Kim Beazley led John Howard as preferred PM through most of 1998 until Howard launched the GST. The poll following the GST launch was the first time Howard had led Beazley since May

I think that's built Super GP clinic, not clinics Buzz.
As in one only.
Another Labor Albatross waiting to take off.

You and LW must be reading VERY old newspapers

http://www.google.com.au/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADFA_enAU370A...

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