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Reply #45 - May 16^th, 2011 at 12:43pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 11:54am:

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Not to try & defend Gillard but I must ask myself what is the agenda of the Murdoch press, do they own Abbott & the Liberal party,they are even more negative than Abbott to the point of blatant lies in misleading articles as pointed out on yesterdays Insiders.

and in 2007 the same press support Rudd. You cant have it both ways.

and after all, the press is very accurately reflecting community opinion.

Not trying to have it anyway.
Just posing the question (in a roundabout way) are we happy for a news empire to not only make news but to also MAKEUP news?
Shouldn't they just report it?
Newstainment is a curse not an asset

I woudl agree that media should be politically neutral but at the same time that is unlikely to be true. it has been a long history in australia for newspapers to support one side in an election and formally do so. in 2007 the Howard govt copped the same bad press as Gillard is getting now. some of it was unfair but to be honest, most of Gillards bad press at the moment is of her own making. shes a terrible tactician, an apalling public performer and appears hopelessly compromised. the press is mainly just declaring that she is a dead duck - which she is!

Yes newspaper have traditionally come out in favour of one side or the other IN ELECTION CAMPAIGNS, this I don't really have a problem with.
We aren't in an election campaign it's another 2 years away yet the show(comedy/horror) goes on pushing an agenda.
As I said why, what's in it for them???????

IM not talking about the traditional editorial the week before the election. i dont really beleive that the press is giving labor an unfairly bad time. after all, they are messing up pretty bad on their own. why should they not receive a pasting for the carbon tax? the community in general is doing the same thing. and after 3 years of endless incompetence and massive mony wasting - which you dont even dispute - why should the media not hammer them? Is there some bias? yep - just as there always is. but the real problem is labor performance. there is nothing GOOD to write about? they screw up everything.

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Reply #46 - May 16^th, 2011 at 12:44pm

buzzanddidj wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:10pm:

My personal favourite was the labor program for building houses for aborigines in the NT. at the last report they had spent $40M of their budget but had not yet constructed a SINGLE HOUSE.

Indigenous housing exceeds targets

STAFF WRITERS
January 4th, 2011

THE Federal Government says its indigenous housing program in the Northern Territory exceeded building and employment targets during 2010.

Almost

1200 families

in remote communities now have improved housing, with

174 new houses

built and

1023 rebuilds and refurbishments

completed under the

Strategic Indigenous Housing and Infrastructure Program.

The program has also exceeded its employment target.

The program also aimed to employ indigenous people at a rate of one in five.
The rate achieved was closer to one in three.

Federal Indigenous Affairs Minister Jenny Macklin, in releasing the figures on Monday, said the Government was rolling out new houses, rebuilds and refurbishments in the NT as quickly as possible. "Getting housing right is critical to closing the gap on indigenous disadvantage," she said in a statement.

The Government's commitment to the program is 750 new houses, 230 rebuilds and 2500 refurbishments, she said

http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2011/01/04/204951_ntnews.html

TWO YEARS before they built a single house! only you could defend that level of non-performance.

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Re: Labor and Greens dropping like a stone!
Reply #47 - May 16^th, 2011 at 12:46pm

buzzanddidj wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:36pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:10pm:

As I told you 2 years ago when you were frothing at the mouth with delight at the liberals poll woes, these things come in cycles. You chose to not beleive it and are now proven comprehensively wrong.
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Wrong ?
Not at ALL

Back them I claimed Labor would ROMP it in "if an election were held TODAY"

NOT "if an election were held in two years time"

you were predicting the DESTRUCTION of the liberal party.

and you didnt say if an election was held that day. that is simply a lie.

but get used to living in a country where projects are delivered that actually work and have a benefit.

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Reply #48 - May 16^th, 2011 at 12:48pm

skippy. wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:38pm:

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Eventually people may see that there are 2 options: an option for a government that wants to act, and an option for a government that just whines.

As Tingall said on Insiders yesterday, the public will be sick of Abbotts whining and lies in two years from now, he either has to aim up, or piss off and give someone capable of policy formation a go.
if Gillard holds on for the next two years, she'll beat Abbott. if the Libs install a new leader between now and then, she's f.c.ed.

said the same thing 18months ago when abbott became leader. since that time he has turned the polls around from 16% DOWN to 12% UP. 28% improvement,
you people only HOPE abbott will go because he is massacring your pathetic party on a daily basis.

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Re: Labor and Greens dropping like a stone!
Reply #50 - May 16^th, 2011 at 12:53pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:38pm:

Buzz you predicted a Labor Victorian win, just a month before the election.

Not exactly different years is it?

And Labor WOULD have won it, were it held a month EARLIER
There was a "reversal of fortune" for BOTH parties, a week before election day

http://www.newspoll.com.au/image_uploads/101133%20VIC%20Election%20-%20Final.pdf

No-one knows WHY
LEAST of all,
Lord Baillieu

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Re: Labor and Greens dropping like a stone!
Reply #51 - May 16^th, 2011 at 12:57pm

buzzanddidj wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:53pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:38pm:

Buzz you predicted a Labor Victorian win, just a month before the election.

Not exactly different years is it?

And Labor WOULD have won it, were it held a month EARLIER
There was a "reversal of fortune" for BOTH parties, a week before election day

http://www.newspoll.com.au/image_uploads/101133%20VIC%20Election%20-%20Final.pdf

No-one knows WHY
LEAST of all,
Lord Baillieu

BOTH parties??? or do you means the greens and labor? because you can have all theree parties decline.

Libs increased significantly and greens and labor declined. suck it up and get used to it.

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Re: Labor and Greens dropping like a stone!
Reply #52 - May 16^th, 2011 at 12:58pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:44pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:10pm:

My personal favourite was the labor program for building houses for aborigines in the NT. at the last report they had spent $40M of their budget but had not yet constructed a SINGLE HOUSE.

Indigenous housing exceeds targets

STAFF WRITERS
January 4th, 2011

THE Federal Government says its indigenous housing program in the Northern Territory exceeded building and employment targets during 2010.

Almost

1200 families

in remote communities now have improved housing, with

174 new houses

built and

1023 rebuilds and refurbishments

completed under the

Strategic Indigenous Housing and Infrastructure Program.

The program has also exceeded its employment target.

The program also aimed to employ indigenous people at a rate of one in five.
The rate achieved was closer to one in three.

Federal Indigenous Affairs Minister Jenny Macklin, in releasing the figures on Monday, said the Government was rolling out new houses, rebuilds and refurbishments in the NT as quickly as possible. "Getting housing right is critical to closing the gap on indigenous disadvantage," she said in a statement.

The Government's commitment to the program is 750 new houses, 230 rebuilds and 2500 refurbishments, she said

http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2011/01/04/204951_ntnews.html

TWO YEARS before they built a single house! only you could defend that level of non-performance.

And only YOU could

BULLSHIT

that NONE had been built

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Labor and Greens dropping like a stone! Reply #53 - May 16^th, 2011 at 12:58pm skippy. wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:53pm: you people only HOPE abbott will go because he is massacring your pathetic party on a daily basis. idiot. It is posts like that which maintains your position as the boards true idiot. and now that greens_lose has gone it is yours alone.
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Re: Labor and Greens dropping like a stone!
Reply #54 - May 16^th, 2011 at 1:01pm

buzzanddidj wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:58pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:44pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:10pm:

My personal favourite was the labor program for building houses for aborigines in the NT. at the last report they had spent $40M of their budget but had not yet constructed a SINGLE HOUSE.

Indigenous housing exceeds targets

STAFF WRITERS
January 4th, 2011

THE Federal Government says its indigenous housing program in the Northern Territory exceeded building and employment targets during 2010.

Almost

1200 families

in remote communities now have improved housing, with

174 new houses

built and

1023 rebuilds and refurbishments

completed under the

Strategic Indigenous Housing and Infrastructure Program.

The program has also exceeded its employment target.

The program also aimed to employ indigenous people at a rate of one in five.
The rate achieved was closer to one in three.

Federal Indigenous Affairs Minister Jenny Macklin, in releasing the figures on Monday, said the Government was rolling out new houses, rebuilds and refurbishments in the NT as quickly as possible. "Getting housing right is critical to closing the gap on indigenous disadvantage," she said in a statement.

The Government's commitment to the program is 750 new houses, 230 rebuilds and 2500 refurbishments, she said

http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2011/01/04/204951_ntnews.html

TWO YEARS before they built a single house! only you could defend that level of non-performance.

And only YOU could

BULLSHIT

that NONE had been built

There was the govt report that said EXACTLY that.

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Reply #55 - May 16^th, 2011 at 1:04pm

buzzanddidj wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:58pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:44pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:10pm:

My personal favourite was the labor program for building houses for aborigines in the NT. at the last report they had spent $40M of their budget but had not yet constructed a SINGLE HOUSE.

Indigenous housing exceeds targets

STAFF WRITERS
January 4th, 2011

THE Federal Government says its indigenous housing program in the Northern Territory exceeded building and employment targets during 2010.

Almost

1200 families

in remote communities now have improved housing, with

174 new houses

built and

1023 rebuilds and refurbishments

completed under the

Strategic Indigenous Housing and Infrastructure Program.

The program has also exceeded its employment target.

The program also aimed to employ indigenous people at a rate of one in five.
The rate achieved was closer to one in three.

Federal Indigenous Affairs Minister Jenny Macklin, in releasing the figures on Monday, said the Government was rolling out new houses, rebuilds and refurbishments in the NT as quickly as possible. "Getting housing right is critical to closing the gap on indigenous disadvantage," she said in a statement.

The Government's commitment to the program is 750 new houses, 230 rebuilds and 2500 refurbishments, she said

http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2011/01/04/204951_ntnews.html

TWO YEARS before they built a single house! only you could defend that level of non-performance.

And only YOU could

BULLSHIT

that NONE had been built

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/report-warns-of-strategic-indigenous-housing-and-infrastructure-program-failure/story-e6frg6nf-1225877657612

read it buzzard. just another govt screwup. $692M to build 750 houses in the bush.

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Re: Labor and Greens dropping like a stone!
Reply #56 - May 16^th, 2011 at 1:06pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:57pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:53pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:38pm:

Buzz you predicted a Labor Victorian win, just a month before the election.

Not exactly different years is it?

And Labor WOULD have won it, were it held a month EARLIER
There was a "reversal of fortune" for BOTH parties, a week before election day

http://www.newspoll.com.au/image_uploads/101133%20VIC%20Election%20-%20Final.pdf

No-one knows WHY
LEAST of all,
Lord Baillieu

BOTH parties??? or do you means the greens and labor? because you can have all theree parties decline.

Do you understand the definition of "reversal" ?

Open the pdf,

DRONGO !

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Reply #57 - May 16^th, 2011 at 1:07pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:43pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 11:54am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 11:24am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 11:18am:

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Not to try & defend Gillard but I must ask myself what is the agenda of the Murdoch press, do they own Abbott & the Liberal party,they are even more negative than Abbott to the point of blatant lies in misleading articles as pointed out on yesterdays Insiders.

and in 2007 the same press support Rudd. You cant have it both ways.

and after all, the press is very accurately reflecting community opinion.

Not trying to have it anyway.
Just posing the question (in a roundabout way) are we happy for a news empire to not only make news but to also MAKEUP news?
Shouldn't they just report it?
Newstainment is a curse not an asset

I woudl agree that media should be politically neutral but at the same time that is unlikely to be true. it has been a long history in australia for newspapers to support one side in an election and formally do so. in 2007 the Howard govt copped the same bad press as Gillard is getting now. some of it was unfair but to be honest, most of Gillards bad press at the moment is of her own making. shes a terrible tactician, an apalling public performer and appears hopelessly compromised. the press is mainly just declaring that she is a dead duck - which she is!

Yes newspaper have traditionally come out in favour of one side or the other IN ELECTION CAMPAIGNS, this I don't really have a problem with.
We aren't in an election campaign it's another 2 years away yet the show(comedy/horror) goes on pushing an agenda.
As I said why, what's in it for them???????

IM not talking about the traditional editorial the week before the election. i dont really beleive that the press is giving labor an unfairly bad time. after all, they are messing up pretty bad on their own. why should they not receive a pasting for the carbon tax? the community in general is doing the same thing. and after 3 years of endless incompetence and massive mony wasting - which you dont even dispute - why should the media not hammer them? Is there some bias? yep - just as there always is. but the real problem is labor performance. there is nothing GOOD to write about? they screw up everything.

Which is exactly why they shouldn't have to make stuff up, Labor are giving more than enough ammo to make REPORTING enough fun for them.

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Re: Labor and Greens dropping like a stone!
Reply #58 - May 16^th, 2011 at 1:09pm

buzzanddidj wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 1:06pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:57pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:53pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:38pm:

Buzz you predicted a Labor Victorian win, just a month before the election.

Not exactly different years is it?

And Labor WOULD have won it, were it held a month EARLIER
There was a "reversal of fortune" for BOTH parties, a week before election day

http://www.newspoll.com.au/image_uploads/101133%20VIC%20Election%20-%20Final.pdf

No-one knows WHY
LEAST of all,
Lord Baillieu

BOTH parties??? or do you means the greens and labor? because you can have all theree parties decline.

Do you understand the definition of "reversal" ?

Open the pdf,

DRONGO !

what is your point, dopey buzzard? that labor and the greens suffered a late drop in support? we already knew that!

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Reply #59 - May 16^th, 2011 at 1:10pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 1:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:43pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 12:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 11:54am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 11:24am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 11:18am:

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Not to try & defend Gillard but I must ask myself what is the agenda of the Murdoch press, do they own Abbott & the Liberal party,they are even more negative than Abbott to the point of blatant lies in misleading articles as pointed out on yesterdays Insiders.

and in 2007 the same press support Rudd. You cant have it both ways.

and after all, the press is very accurately reflecting community opinion.

Not trying to have it anyway.
Just posing the question (in a roundabout way) are we happy for a news empire to not only make news but to also MAKEUP news?
Shouldn't they just report it?
Newstainment is a curse not an asset

I woudl agree that media should be politically neutral but at the same time that is unlikely to be true. it has been a long history in australia for newspapers to support one side in an election and formally do so. in 2007 the Howard govt copped the same bad press as Gillard is getting now. some of it was unfair but to be honest, most of Gillards bad press at the moment is of her own making. shes a terrible tactician, an apalling public performer and appears hopelessly compromised. the press is mainly just declaring that she is a dead duck - which she is!

Yes newspaper have traditionally come out in favour of one side or the other IN ELECTION CAMPAIGNS, this I don't really have a problem with.
We aren't in an election campaign it's another 2 years away yet the show(comedy/horror) goes on pushing an agenda.
As I said why, what's in it for them???????

IM not talking about the traditional editorial the week before the election. i dont really beleive that the press is giving labor an unfairly bad time. after all, they are messing up pretty bad on their own. why should they not receive a pasting for the carbon tax? the community in general is doing the same thing. and after 3 years of endless incompetence and massive mony wasting - which you dont even dispute - why should the media not hammer them? Is there some bias? yep - just as there always is. but the real problem is labor performance. there is nothing GOOD to write about? they screw up everything.

Which is exactly why they shouldn't have to make stuff up, Labor are giving more than enough ammo to make REPORTING enough fun for them.

what specifically has been 'made up'?

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