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perceptions_now Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11694 Perth WA Gender:	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #15 - May 26^th, 2011 at 1:36pm Soren wrote on May 26^th, 2011 at 12:47pm: If Peak Oil is our guide to action, then do nothing (that is organised or imposed by government) is just the ticket. You would rely on governments, Labor or Liberal? Then you are a bigger fool!
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #16 - May 26^th, 2011 at 5:04pm do nothing (that is organised or imposed by government) = do not do anything that is organised or imposed by the government
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perceptions_now Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11694 Perth WA Gender:	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #17 - May 26^th, 2011 at 7:34pm Soren wrote on May 26^th, 2011 at 5:04pm: do nothing (that is organised or imposed by government) = do not do anything that is organised or imposed by the government Then, you solution is to rely on the Private sector?
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Reply #18 - May 26^th, 2011 at 9:33pm

perceptions_now wrote on May 26^th, 2011 at 7:34pm:

Soren wrote on May 26^th, 2011 at 5:04pm:

do nothing (that is organised or imposed by government) = do not do anything that is organised or imposed by the government

Then, you solution is to rely on the Private sector?

If AGW is like peak oil. I wouldn't worry. The government is certainly not going to invent a solution.

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Reply #19 - May 26^th, 2011 at 10:14pm

Soren wrote on May 26^th, 2011 at 9:33pm:

perceptions_now wrote on May 26^th, 2011 at 7:34pm:

Soren wrote on May 26^th, 2011 at 5:04pm:

do nothing (that is organised or imposed by government) = do not do anything that is organised or imposed by the government

Then, you solution is to rely on the Private sector?

If AGW is like peak oil. I wouldn't worry.
The government is certainly not going to invent a solution.

So, let me get this straight, is this what you're saying?
1) That Peak Oil is not a problem and neither is Climate Change?

2) Even if Peak Oil &/or Climate Change did become a problem, Governments couldn't provide any solutions and therefore any solutions would have to come from the Private sector?

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #20 - May 26^th, 2011 at 10:22pm Got it. Well done!
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It_is_the_Darkness Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4000 in a ReTardis Gender:	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #21 - May 27^th, 2011 at 10:45am I would have thought that Climate Change was not a Political issue in the first place - more an Environmental one?
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Reply #22 - May 27^th, 2011 at 10:52am

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on May 27^th, 2011 at 10:45am:

I would have thought that Climate Change was not a Political issue in the first place - more an Environmental one?

Nah. It was invented, like the internet, by AL Gore, taking an idea from Margaret Thatcher (who came up whith the wheeze as a way of crushing the miners in England).

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Reply #23 - May 27^th, 2011 at 11:21am

Soren wrote on May 27^th, 2011 at 10:52am:

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on May 27^th, 2011 at 10:45am:

I would have thought that Climate Change was not a Political issue in the first place - more an Environmental one?

Nah. It was invented, like the internet, by AL Gore, taking an idea from Margaret Thatcher (who came up whith the wheeze as a way of crushing the miners in England).

So, Climate Change was invented by Al Gore & it has no basis in fact?

And Peak Oil, is that the same, no basis in fact, it was invented by someone with vested interests?

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Reply #24 - May 27^th, 2011 at 11:39am

1. Yes. CO2 is miniscule in the scheme of things, proportionatly to other things that make up the climate. Human emissions of CO2 are only part of that total. In any case, there is good use for CO2 on this earth as life here is carbon-based.

2. Peak Oil is a completely different thing, as we clarified already, since oil is something that you can run out of. Climate isn't. Since the peak oil panic about 30 years ago, we have discovered and extracted natural gas in great quantities.

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Reply #25 - May 27^th, 2011 at 6:23pm

Soren wrote on May 27^th, 2011 at 11:39am:

1. Yes. CO2 is miniscule in the scheme of things, proportionatly to other things that make up the climate. Human emissions of CO2 are only part of that total. In any case, there is good use for CO2 on this earth as life here is carbon-based.

2. Peak Oil is a completely different thing, as we clarified already, since oil is something that you can run out of. Climate isn't. Since the peak oil panic about 30 years ago, we have discovered and extracted natural gas in great quantities.

We are making progress, that's good!

That said, a little clarification on the Peak Oil issue?

You seemed to suggest yesterday that Peak Oil wasn't a problem, but this morning you hedged your bets, suggesting it could run out, but that Natural Gas may save the day?
So, is Peak Oil &/or Peak Energy a problem?

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Reply #26 - May 28^th, 2011 at 11:56pm

I was hedging?

Peak oil is not a problem - see increased natuaral gas production.

We will never run out of oil or gas, just as we have never run out of wood (yes, yes, one in renewable and the other two aren't but that's not important right now). WHat is important is that we do not rely on wood any more, even though for millenia it was the sole source of energy.

We just got onto something better. And not because we were running out of wood. SO, you see, all this peak oil nonsense is, well, nonsense.

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Reply #27 - May 29^th, 2011 at 3:18am

So what was the challenge again Soren??
What is it you wish a discussion on? - it doesn't seem to appear at the beginning of the thread - something about climate change, ? fossil fuel? and what??
Some thing you say is nonsense.

Human impact on climate?
Well - that is obvious - so that cant be it. Roll Eyes

I must have missed something somewhere.

As someone you no doubt approve of used to say - Please explain? Kiss

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Reply #28 - May 29^th, 2011 at 10:29am

Emma wrote on May 29^th, 2011 at 3:18am:

So what was the challenge again Soren??
What is it you wish a discussion on? - it doesn't seem to appear at the beginning of the thread - something about climate change, ? fossil fuel? and what??
Some thing you say is nonsense.

Human impact on climate?
Well - that is obvious - so that cant be it. Roll Eyes

I must have missed something somewhere.

As someone you no doubt approve of used to say - Please explain? Kiss

Excellent questions, I was wondering myself. You'd better ask the guy who posed the challenge and started the thread.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #29 - May 29^th, 2011 at 6:28pm Dang it!! Did it again - sorry Soren for mistaking you for Perceptions Now. But my questions remain PN. What the....?
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