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barnaby joe

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Re: The Soren Challenge
Reply #195 - Oct 25^th, 2011 at 10:09am

muso wrote on Oct 25^th, 2011 at 10:08am:

barnaby joe wrote on Oct 25^th, 2011 at 10:05am:

this is actually from an old, obscure PC game called call to power 2

there is a political system in the future epoch of the game called envirotopia which is a militant environmentalist government

it has an ingame military unit called an ecoterrorist that makes use of nano assemblers to deconstruct entire urban areas and make them into rainforests

omg

hey

it might be possible

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96347	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #196 - Oct 25^th, 2011 at 10:22am barnaby joe wrote on Oct 24^th, 2011 at 5:09pm: does this mean that soren believes in climate change now It does. Why he still bothers to argue is anyone's guess. Perhaps the old boy just wants something to argue about.
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #197 - Oct 25^th, 2011 at 9:10pm nothing would surprise me
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #198 - Oct 26^th, 2011 at 8:57am Whoa! Steady on, kids!
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Re: The Soren Challenge
Reply #199 - Oct 26^th, 2011 at 9:30am

muso wrote on Oct 25^th, 2011 at 9:58am:

barnaby joe wrote on Oct 24^th, 2011 at 5:09pm:

does this mean that soren believes in climate change now

I'd rather not "believe" in something like that. I find the idea somewhat abhorrent. I'd prefer to make a rational decision based on understanding of a comprehensive set of data using scientific principles.

I still think that it's dishonest (not you, Soren) trying to obfuscate the science for idealistic reasons. Even if the issue has been hijacked (which it has to some extent), the target should be the hijackers, not the science.

Knowledge to me is sacred.

The thing is, you do not know enough. From the little patch of dry land that is our limited knowldge you take a leap of faith to AGW.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96347	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #200 - Oct 26^th, 2011 at 9:51am "Our limited knowledge", eh? Now that's a first. Not only has the old boy come around to global warming, he's become a post-structuralist as well. Carry on, old chap.
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Reply #201 - Oct 26^th, 2011 at 10:04am

Not a first, PB. You are new to the discussion:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1305800675/147#147

You do not need to be a post-structuralist to KNOW that we do not fully or even well understand how the climate works.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

Yay, Shakespeare was a post-structuralist!!! For pomo PBs whose mental horizons extend as far back in the mist of time as the 1970s, this must be unbelievable but there you have it. Uncanny, what?

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Reply #202 - Oct 26^th, 2011 at 10:10am

Hows this for post structuralist.... a carbon tax was passed in britain in 2007 while snow fell outside to counter global warming just go to google and type it in. Basically you will find their countries economy got raped hard. Don't have to be a genius to see our following of the pattern in australia. I don't blame the people trying to make the change in the environment I blame the people that brainwash them so they believe anything and everything they are told and become those fanatical eco terrorists!!!

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #203 - Oct 26^th, 2011 at 11:46am Increased precipitation (snowfall if it gets cold enough) is a predicted consequence of the increase in radiative forcing. Translated into pirate talk: If ye makes it warrrmer, it getss wetter too, me hearty.
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Re: The Soren Challenge
Reply #204 - Oct 26^th, 2011 at 12:01pm

CLIMATOLOGY DOESNT EXIST. THE CLIMATE DOESNT EXIST. THERE IS ONLY THE TEXT. THERE IS ONLY THE GRAMMAR OF THE TEXT.

WE MUST DECONSTRUCT EVERY NOTIFICATION IN THE CLIMATE SCIENCE LITERATURE TO REMOVE THE CRYPTO FASCISTIC ELEMENTS THEREIN AND INVERT THE MEANING OF THE TEXT. WHEN THE FASCIST CLIMATOLOGISTS SAY THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS HAPPENING THEY ARE BEING INFORMED BY THEIR REACTIONARY ANTI-SEMITIC CHARACTERISTICS. THEY ARE EUGENICISTS WHO WANT TO STERILISE THE PEOPLE OF THE THIRD WORLD AND PUT US ALL INTO A SINGLE ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

CLIMATOLOGY LEADS TO AUSCHWITZ AND BIRKENAU. THE MEANING OF THE TEXT WILL BE INVERTED. WHEN A CLIMATOLOGIST SAYS ANTHROPOGENIC CLIMATE CHANGE IS OCCURING HE IS REALLY ONLY PROJECTING HIS AUTHORITARIAN PERSONALITY ONTO HIS WRITING. HE IS PROJECTING HIS DESIRES FOR PHALLOCRATIC GOVERNMANCE ONTO THE TEXT.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96347	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #205 - Oct 26^th, 2011 at 12:33pm The old boy above will not approve, Haim. Your post is entitled: The Truth. Not reflexive enough, dear.
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Re: The Soren Challenge
Reply #206 - Oct 26^th, 2011 at 12:36pm

barnaby joe wrote on Oct 26^th, 2011 at 12:01pm:

CLIMATOLOGY DOESNT EXIST. THE CLIMATE DOESNT EXIST. THERE IS ONLY THE TEXT. THERE IS ONLY THE GRAMMAR OF THE TEXT.

WE MUST DECONSTRUCT EVERY NOTIFICATION IN THE CLIMATE SCIENCE LITERATURE TO REMOVE THE CRYPTO FASCISTIC ELEMENTS THEREIN AND INVERT THE MEANING OF THE TEXT. WHEN THE FASCIST CLIMATOLOGISTS SAY THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS HAPPENING THEY ARE BEING INFORMED BY THEIR REACTIONARY ANTI-SEMITIC CHARACTERISTICS. THEY ARE EUGENICISTS WHO WANT TO STERILISE THE PEOPLE OF THE THIRD WORLD AND PUT US ALL INTO A SINGLE ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

CLIMATOLOGY LEADS TO AUSCHWITZ AND BIRKENAU. THE MEANING OF THE TEXT WILL BE INVERTED. WHEN A CLIMATOLOGIST SAYS ANTHROPOGENIC CLIMATE CHANGE IS OCCURING HE IS REALLY ONLY PROJECTING HIS AUTHORITARIAN PERSONALITY ONTO HIS WRITING. HE IS PROJECTING HIS DESIRES FOR PHALLOCRATIC GOVERNMANCE ONTO THE TEXT.

Very good, Imperium. Climate science is phallocentric.

The old boy approves.

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Re: The Soren Challenge
Reply #207 - Oct 26^th, 2011 at 8:06pm

re - You do not need to be a post-structuralist to KNOW that we do not fully or even well understand how the climate works.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Soren

This sort of gambit in argument - ie quoting this passage from 'Hamlet' - is part of the author attempting to 'get out of intellectual hot water' according to philosopher Stephen Law. From an interview in New Scientist June 2011" His latest book ...Believing Bullshit: How not to get sucked into an intellectual black hole."

Something people should look for if they want to 'avoid getting sucked into "intellectual black holes".

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #208 - Oct 26^th, 2011 at 8:29pm Oh yeah - he also said ..' But the fact is that many of the claims made about things behind this veil .(mystery) .have empirically observable consequences and that makes them scientifically provable.' All in all a very interesting article, recommended, given this context.
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Re: The Soren Challenge
Reply #209 - Oct 26^th, 2011 at 9:32pm

Emma wrote on Oct 26^th, 2011 at 8:06pm:

re - You do not need to be a post-structuralist to KNOW that we do not fully or even well understand how the climate works.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Soren

This sort of gambit in argument - ie quoting this passage from 'Hamlet' - is part of the author attempting to 'get out of intellectual hot water' according to philosopher Stephen Law. From an interview in New Scientist June 2011" His latest book ...Believing Bullshit: How not to get sucked into an intellectual black hole."

Something people should look for if they want to 'avoid getting sucked into "intellectual black holes".

Now don't be deliberately stupid. As even a 10 year old could tell, that Hamlet reference was to PB's post-structuralist joke. Or are you suggesting, idiotically, that climate science is grounded in post-structuralist philosophy and PB wasn't joking?

Here's some free advice: reading articles in popular science magazines on how to spot BS is no substitute for thinking and positively useless without the ability to comprehend what you read.

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