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Re: The Soren Challenge
Reply #285 - Nov 5^th, 2011 at 10:21pm

Soren wrote on Nov 5^th, 2011 at 10:16pm:

I am asking if you have the measure of your own medicine, viz awareness of your own ignorance. Yet you are running like a little girl, sticking your tongue out.

Medication time?? Only a smacking idiot would come back with that, hoping that in the midst of all the grinning schoolyard bluster nobody would notice that he had no answer. Medication time indeed. What do you take for intellectual inadequacy? Curl up and regress to the time when you were 10?

ANyone who ask you a question you don't know what to do with gets the same pathetic 'medication' crap from you. No pat answer - medication time.

Makes you look really thick despite your ability to spell.

I use the medication line just for a couple of you...

With you, I use it when it all seems to start getting to you on this forum and you start taking it personally... I don't know... You could be pissed, lonely, getting old... All three or a combination...

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Re: The Soren Challenge
Reply #286 - Nov 5^th, 2011 at 10:30pm

Soren wrote on Nov 5^th, 2011 at 10:16pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2011 at 10:01pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 5^th, 2011 at 9:52pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2011 at 7:46pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 5^th, 2011 at 2:46pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2011 at 9:33am:

barnaby joe wrote on Nov 5^th, 2011 at 9:24am:

http://thataintkosher.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/the_more_you_know2.jpg

While ignorance breeds certainty.

Ah! So that's how we arrive at conviction, the art of being certain.

Ahh, no... The art of being certain requires vigilant awareness of one's ignorance.

Will you give us a list of what you are ignorant of or shall I?

Getting bitchy there, old man... Looks like its medication time. Grin

Medication time?? Only a smacking idiot would come back with that, hoping that in the midst of all the grinning schoolyard bluster nobody would notice that he had no answer. Medication time indeed. What do you take for intellectual inadequacy? Curl up and regress to the time when you were 10?

ANyone who ask you a question you don't know what to do with gets the same pathetic 'medication' crap from you. No pat answer - medication time.

My dear lady, I can assure you: medication is nothing to be ashamed of. It is often used in cases of advanced hysteria.

We prefer to call it therapuetic.

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Re: The Soren Challenge
Reply #287 - Nov 5^th, 2011 at 10:36pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2011 at 10:21pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 5^th, 2011 at 10:16pm:

I am asking if you have the measure of your own medicine, viz awareness of your own ignorance. Yet you are running like a little girl, sticking your tongue out.

Medication time?? Only a smacking idiot would come back with that, hoping that in the midst of all the grinning schoolyard bluster nobody would notice that he had no answer. Medication time indeed. What do you take for intellectual inadequacy? Curl up and regress to the time when you were 10?

ANyone who ask you a question you don't know what to do with gets the same pathetic 'medication' crap from you. No pat answer - medication time.

Makes you look really thick despite your ability to spell.

I use the medication line just for a couple of you...

With you, I use it when it all seems to start getting to you on this forum and you start taking it personally... I don't know... You could be pissed, lonely, getting old... All three or a combination...

Stop digging. I drew attention to the adolescent stupidity of your tag line and you get all analytical and babble about age and drink and loneliness. Anything to get attention away from the banality of conviction as the art of certainty - or is it certainty as the art of conviction?
Who knows? You don't. I don't.

I would need several large drinks to descend to that level of profundity.

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Reply #288 - Nov 5^th, 2011 at 10:38pm

Soren wrote on Nov 5^th, 2011 at 10:36pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2011 at 10:21pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 5^th, 2011 at 10:16pm:

I am asking if you have the measure of your own medicine, viz awareness of your own ignorance. Yet you are running like a little girl, sticking your tongue out.

Medication time?? Only a smacking idiot would come back with that, hoping that in the midst of all the grinning schoolyard bluster nobody would notice that he had no answer. Medication time indeed. What do you take for intellectual inadequacy? Curl up and regress to the time when you were 10?

ANyone who ask you a question you don't know what to do with gets the same pathetic 'medication' crap from you. No pat answer - medication time.

Makes you look really thick despite your ability to spell.

I use the medication line just for a couple of you...

With you, I use it when it all seems to start getting to you on this forum and you start taking it personally... I don't know... You could be pissed, lonely, getting old... All three or a combination...

Stop digging. I drew attention to the adolescent stupidity of your tag line and you get all analytical and babble about age and drink and loneliness. Anything to get attention away from the banality of conviction as the art of certainty - or is it certainty as the art of conviction?
Who know? You don't.

I would need several large drinks to descen to that level of profundity.

Crack another bottle of sherry... See how you go. Grin

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #289 - Nov 5^th, 2011 at 10:41pm Yes, you have been had, grin away.
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Reply #290 - Nov 6^th, 2011 at 12:26pm

Soren wrote on Nov 5^th, 2011 at 9:55pm:

muso wrote on Nov 5^th, 2011 at 8:40pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 5^th, 2011 at 2:46pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2011 at 9:33am:

barnaby joe wrote on Nov 5^th, 2011 at 9:24am:

http://thataintkosher.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/the_more_you_know2.jpg

While ignorance breeds certainty.

Ah! So that's how we arrive at conviction, the art of being certain.

The question of carbon dioxide being a greenhouse gas has about the same level of certainty as the hour of sunrise tomorrow morning in any given geographical location where the sun is predicted to rise.

You take me to be as stupid as you pretend to be, Mr Musician.

You leap effortlessly from CO2 as greenhouse gas to CO2 as cause of climate change.

One step at a time. We haven't even touched on climate change on this thread. I'm responding to Soren's Law here, vis a vis tiny proportions of anything can't have much effect on.... well anything. The crux of your argument on this thread has been around that particular half-baked chestnut.

In other words, you were disputing the fact that a proportional increase of 100% in atmospheric Carbon dioxide can have any significant effect. You may not realise it, but you are also dismissing the position that without that "tiny proportion" of CO2 in the atmosphere, the Earth would be around 33 Celsius degrees colder. (You can't have one without the other)

Now along with that particular "tarte au marron demi-cuit au sauce sorenais", you have a side serving of those famous "greenhouse gases" (as you put it) Oxygène et nitrogène.

So don't get ahead of yourself.

(Let's keep the banter good natured, all. )

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Reply #291 - Nov 6^th, 2011 at 2:35pm

actually

soren's master argument is this:

climate change may in fact be occuring but we dont understand the climate. it is a complex system influenced by a variety of factors many of which we barely understand or are not even aware of at all (one must ask yourself how he actually knows this to be the case though). climate change is occuring, and while c02 contributes to climate change, there may be some unknown factor, factor x, or many unknown factors, factors x, through z which may in fact be indepedent of all human activity and are in operation to transform the climate AS WE SPEAK. c02 may be a drop in the bucket in terms of its significance compared to the phantom factor, factor x (or the phantom factor squad), so therefore, we don't have to do anything at all.

he's been repeating this one for a very long time but you seem to skirt around it. i'll admit, it's pretty clever. you can apply it to basically anything you want.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #292 - Nov 6^th, 2011 at 2:41pm A fair summary. But you can only apply it to things like the climate: things you cannot perform experiments on because there is only one of them.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96416	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #293 - Nov 6^th, 2011 at 2:50pm Yes, but what about cultural studies? The faculty have been saying this for years.
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barnaby joe Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1992 euchareena	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #294 - Nov 6^th, 2011 at 2:51pm derrida would be proud!
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #295 - Nov 6^th, 2011 at 2:56pm Derrida's dead.
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barnaby joe Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1992 euchareena	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #296 - Nov 6^th, 2011 at 3:12pm death does not exist. there is only the text. an epitaph can be a text however.
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Re: The Soren Challenge
Reply #297 - Nov 6^th, 2011 at 5:06pm

Soren wrote on Nov 6^th, 2011 at 2:56pm:

Derrida's dead.

How can you be sure? Derrida may in fact be dead, but we dont really understand life fully, let alone death. Life is a complex system influenced by a variety of factors many of which we barely understand or are not even aware of at all. We certainly don't even understand self awareness on any biochemical basis.

Death happens, and while ceasing to breathe may in fact be an outward sign of death, there may be some unknown factor, factor x, such as an immortal soul Roll Eyes

or God, or Jumping Jehosaphat or many unknown factors, factors x, through z which may in fact be independent of all outward signs and is happening AS WE SPEAK.

Mortal death may be insignificant compared to the phantom factor, factor x (or the phantom factor squad), so therefore, maybe nobody is dead.

(Well put, Imperium)

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #298 - Nov 6^th, 2011 at 7:44pm The cult of repudiation - you have been infected by it. All three of you. It's about the text to you, rather than life.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96416	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #299 - Nov 6^th, 2011 at 8:47pm Ha!
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