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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #60 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:32pm I edited the typo in my own post, pr!ck. If you want to grin like an idiot because the letters n and m are next to each other, go ahead. You want me to apologise for a typo - bugger off. Will this do? Good. As you were.
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Reply #61 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:54am

I edited the typo in my own post, pr!ck. If you want to grin like an idiot because the letters n and m are next to each other, go ahead. You want me to apologise for a typo - bugger off.

Will this do? Good.

As you were.

Think again arsewipe! Not good enuff - not a typo in MY POST!. In case you didn't understand, Prikk, I'll explain it to you.

You included in your post, an earlier one of mine. BUT your 'edit' of your own words, dickbrain, shouldn't have changed my post, should it?

You deny it??? It was the 'system' perhaps eh? Not you - no way - CRAP. Because you used it - the 'edited version' of my post, for grounds to ridicule -- see thats dirty pool!! Perhaps not surprising coming from the grotty little snot you are.

Still expect an acknowledgement and apology for your self-promotion, at the expense of others.
And hey, not just an apology to me!!! An apology to everyone who interacts with you would be most welcome, comprehend do you? SIGH --- probably not - that is probably too complicated for your head full of toads. Tongue

I BARE THE SOLES OF MY FEET TO YOU.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #62 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 4:22pm Emma wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:54am: I BARE THE SOLES OF MY FEET TO YOU. Consider yourself mooned.
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #63 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:49pm Hheeheheheehehee hahauah ha ROTFLOL Brilliant.
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #64 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:59pm BUT U still haven't made good boyo. I OBJECT. I would expect a reply with some substance - given the gravity of your offense.! IF U didn't! what is your explanation?? Hmmm? face the music Sorenarse - you changed my post.!!! Don't you have some excuse or other ??? Don't have one do you ? Moonie!!
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Reply #65 - Jun 10^th, 2011 at 11:23am

Hello, what's this then?
AGW predictions unfulfilled again? Shurely shome mishtake.

Following a gradual rise of about 0.2 degrees from 1990 to 2000, global temperatures have stopped increasing and have actually fallen slightly. The only IPCC prediction which remains consistent with the current data is the lower prediction of a 0.7 degree rise from 1990 to 2030. The “Best” IPCC estimate and the higher 1.5 degree rise are ruled out by the data.

CO2 levels in the atmosphere have continued to rise over the last 10 years (see overlay to temperature comparison below in Figure 3) but temperatures have not risen since 2000. This implies that CO2 is not the main driver of global temperatures on these time periods and that other natural mechanisms are at least as important. No evidence of any positive temperature feedback with increasing CO2 levels is found.

Talk about inconvenient!

References:

http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/publications_ipcc_first_assessment_1990_wg1.shtml
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/
http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/uahncdc.lt

SOurce:
http://clivebest.com/blog/?p=2208

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Reply #66 - Jun 10^th, 2011 at 9:27pm

thats a graphfull.!!

But it seems CO2 increasing steeply does not show a reflected steep increase in ( i assume )- temp. YET.

YET. You are attempting to equate planetary time with human timescales.

Thats if you can ignore the real impacts currently being felt around the world. Scientific averages aren't very helpful.
An analysis of median ranges in the specific areas of concern might provide more objective data, provided the whole analysis, when interpreted, isn't skewed. Sad

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Reply #67 - Jun 20^th, 2011 at 9:22pm

Is this true?

Today, infected by Malthusian ecology, the Left relentlessly preaches millennial doom and technological risk: the climate is heading for catastrophe; resources are running out; population is growing too fast; farming cannot keep up; habitat is being destroyed; poverty, hunger, pollution, disease and greed are only going to get worse. A dramatic change in human stewardship of the planet is needed.

Based on the trajectory of the past five decades, and even (or especially) if the world economy grows rapidly, this century is likely to see mild climate change, cheap and abundant resources, falling population, ample food, more wilderness, and the average person becoming gradually - though erratically - wealthier, healthier, happier, cleverer, cleaner, freer, kinder, more peaceful and more equal. Each of the past five decades has almost certainly seen records set for each of those adjectives for the world as a whole.

One of the policies they have adopted has taken 5 per cent of the world's grain crop and turned it into biofuel to power motor vehicles. This has driven up food prices, increased malnutrition and encouraged the destruction of rain forest, while enriching farmers.
Yet, given that the planting and harvesting of biofuels use about as much oil as the fuels they displace, it has had precisely zero effect on carbon emissions. Nonetheless, it is considered a green, progressive policy.

Another policy is to bribe rich landowners to festoon the most picturesque landscapes with concrete pads on which are placed gargantuan steel towers topped with wind turbines containing two-tonne magnets made of an alloy of neodymium, a rare earth metal mined in inner Mongolia by a process of boiling in acid that produces poisoned lakes filled with mildly radioactive and toxic tailings.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/left-activists-profits-of-doom/...

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Reply #68 - Jun 20^th, 2011 at 11:21pm

Soren wrote on Jun 20^th, 2011 at 9:22pm:

Is this true?

Today, infected by Malthusian ecology, the Left relentlessly preaches millennial doom and technological risk: the climate is heading for catastrophe; resources are running out; population is growing too fast; farming cannot keep up; habitat is being destroyed; poverty, hunger, pollution, disease and greed are only going to get worse. A dramatic change in human stewardship of the planet is needed.

Based on the trajectory of the past five decades, and even (or especially) if the world economy grows rapidly, this century is likely to see mild climate change, cheap and abundant resources, falling population, ample food, more wilderness, and the average person becoming gradually - though erratically - wealthier, healthier, happier, cleverer, cleaner, freer, kinder, more peaceful and more equal. Each of the past five decades has almost certainly seen records set for each of those adjectives for the world as a whole.

One of the policies they have adopted has taken 5 per cent of the world's grain crop and turned it into biofuel to power motor vehicles. This has driven up food prices, increased malnutrition and encouraged the destruction of rain forest, while enriching farmers.
Yet, given that the planting and harvesting of biofuels use about as much oil as the fuels they displace, it has had precisely zero effect on carbon emissions. Nonetheless, it is considered a green, progressive policy.

Another policy is to bribe rich landowners to festoon the most picturesque landscapes with concrete pads on which are placed gargantuan steel towers topped with wind turbines containing two-tonne magnets made of an alloy of neodymium, a rare earth metal mined in inner Mongolia by a process of boiling in acid that produces poisoned lakes filled with mildly radioactive and toxic tailings.

You're taking a BOB each way. Wink

I'd essentially agree with yor first para, from
......... millennial doom and technological risk: the climate......to..A dramatic change in human stewardship of the planet is needed.

.............. but you know its NOT just an infection of lefty thinking. Seen the news lately?

Your second para - you are still living in the past.
Some World Authority recently announced that the human life span has a high likelihood of decreasing from this generation, given the range of hazards that confront human life , in this century.. (talking averages - like your average person, yeah?)
Who doesn't exist, by the way!!. Wink

I remember discussing this with a friend 10 yrs ago , and expressing same, and was met with the same view as your 2nd para. Do not agree that the good times are gonna keep on rollin'.

Your last two paras are problematic. One says the measures THEY have taken had zero impact on carbon -which is definitely better than a negative effect. ( meaning - an increase in carbon!! ).....and your concerns for the people and environment? Entirely valid, given the innumerable examples THEY have provided all over the world..
The other, that some inner mongolian lakes were/are poisoned to produce a number(?) of magnets to power a number(?) of Wind Turbines on 'picturesque landscapes' owned by corrupt rich folk. ! Roll Eyes

You can add that to all the other poisoned earth ... poisoned by people - for power!

What ARE you trying to say Soren?

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Reply #69 - Jun 22^nd, 2011 at 2:32pm

Emma wrote on Jun 20^th, 2011 at 11:21pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 20^th, 2011 at 9:22pm:

Is this true?

Today, infected by Malthusian ecology, the Left relentlessly preaches millennial doom and technological risk: the climate is heading for catastrophe; resources are running out; population is growing too fast; farming cannot keep up; habitat is being destroyed; poverty, hunger, pollution, disease and greed are only going to get worse. A dramatic change in human stewardship of the planet is needed.

Based on the trajectory of the past five decades, and even (or especially) if the world economy grows rapidly, this century is likely to see mild climate change, cheap and abundant resources, falling population, ample food, more wilderness, and the average person becoming gradually - though erratically - wealthier, healthier, happier, cleverer, cleaner, freer, kinder, more peaceful and more equal. Each of the past five decades has almost certainly seen records set for each of those adjectives for the world as a whole.

One of the policies they have adopted has taken 5 per cent of the world's grain crop and turned it into biofuel to power motor vehicles. This has driven up food prices, increased malnutrition and encouraged the destruction of rain forest, while enriching farmers.
Yet, given that the planting and harvesting of biofuels use about as much oil as the fuels they displace, it has had precisely zero effect on carbon emissions. Nonetheless, it is considered a green, progressive policy.

Another policy is to bribe rich landowners to festoon the most picturesque landscapes with concrete pads on which are placed gargantuan steel towers topped with wind turbines containing two-tonne magnets made of an alloy of neodymium, a rare earth metal mined in inner Mongolia by a process of boiling in acid that produces poisoned lakes filled with mildly radioactive and toxic tailings.

You're taking a BOB each way. Wink

I'd essentially agree with yor first para, from
......... millennial doom and technological risk: the climate......to..A dramatic change in human stewardship of the planet is needed.

.............. but you know its NOT just an infection of lefty thinking. Seen the news lately?

Your second para - you are still living in the past.
Some World Authority recently announced that the human life span has a high likelihood of decreasing from this generation, given the range of hazards that confront human life , in this century.. (talking averages - like your average person, yeah?)
Who doesn't exist, by the way!!. Wink

I remember discussing this with a friend 10 yrs ago , and expressing same, and was met with the same view as your 2nd para. Do not agree that the good times are gonna keep on rollin'.

Your last two paras are problematic. One says the measures THEY have taken had zero impact on carbon -which is definitely better than a negative effect. ( meaning - an increase in carbon!! ).....and your concerns for the people and environment? Entirely valid, given the innumerable examples THEY have provided all over the world..
The other, that some inner mongolian lakes were/are poisoned to produce a number(?) of magnets to power a number(?) of Wind Turbines on 'picturesque landscapes' owned by corrupt rich folk. ! Roll Eyes

You can add that to all the other poisoned earth ... poisoned by people - for power!

What ARE you trying to say Soren?

Those are not Soren's words!
http://thegwpf.org/opinion-pros-a-cons/3266-matt-ridley-left-activists-profits-o...
Soren could at least have the courtesy of acknowledging the origin of the words.

Clearly, the article does not refer to the Labor Party, as they are just as intent on expanding the Australian Population and have no interest in Malthusian solutions, as are the Liberals & their intent is to benefit from the same set of masters (TPTB).

As for the past repeating in the future, that is plaining CRAP and doesn't even bear commenting on!

As far as Food Production going into Ethanol, instead of feeding people, that is plain stupidity, on a number of levels and it should be stopped. However, it should be noted that both the Left & Right of Politics (worldwide) have supported this wholely crazy idea!

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Reply #70 - Jun 22^nd, 2011 at 3:21pm

Soren wrote on Jun 20^th, 2011 at 9:22pm:

Is this true?

Today, infected by Malthusian ecology, the Left relentlessly preaches millennial doom and technological risk: the climate is heading for catastrophe; resources are running out; population is growing too fast; farming cannot keep up; habitat is being destroyed; poverty, hunger, pollution, disease and greed are only going to get worse. A dramatic change in human stewardship of the planet is needed.

Based on the trajectory of the past five decades, and even (or especially) if the world economy grows rapidly, this century is likely to see mild climate change, cheap and abundant resources, falling population, ample food, more wilderness, and the average person becoming gradually - though erratically - wealthier, healthier, happier, cleverer, cleaner, freer, kinder, more peaceful and more equal. Each of the past five decades has almost certainly seen records set for each of those adjectives for the world as a whole.

One of the policies they have adopted has taken 5 per cent of the world's grain crop and turned it into biofuel to power motor vehicles. This has driven up food prices, increased malnutrition and encouraged the destruction of rain forest, while enriching farmers.
Yet, given that the planting and harvesting of biofuels use about as much oil as the fuels they displace, it has had precisely zero effect on carbon emissions. Nonetheless, it is considered a green, progressive policy.

Another policy is to bribe rich landowners to festoon the most picturesque landscapes with concrete pads on which are placed gargantuan steel towers topped with wind turbines containing two-tonne magnets made of an alloy of neodymium, a rare earth metal mined in inner Mongolia by a process of boiling in acid that produces poisoned lakes filled with mildly radioactive and toxic tailings.

Of course....but that's the point isn't it???

The idea is to bring in ineffective 'green' power systems in various parts of the world ( Northern Europe at the moment) which will naturally fail during the coldest times of winter, causing massive death tolls among the poorest or most fragile sections of the population...because humans are less important than animals, and there are too many of them anyway..

The same reasoning is behind the biofuel idea, and the opposite method ( using extremes of heat and lack of cooling ) is behind the equatorial push to not use A/C units in summer...

This way they (enviromentalists) can get that 'warm fuzzy' feeling from 'protecting the planet', and at the same time combat their two pet hates...industrial technology and population numbers..

It'd be 'better' if the population was smaller, made up of just environmentalists, living in their vegan communities and communing with the trees and animals..

"I talk to the trees
But they don't listen to me
I talk to the stars
But they never hear me
The breeze hasn't time
To stop and hear what I say
I talk to them all in vain"

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #71 - Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 1:51am oooooh thats a goody gizmo. Really -- that IS the point. Too many people, - with way too many more popping up every minute. So YES I agree It'd be 'better' if the population was smaller,
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: The Soren Challenge Reply #72 - Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 10:40am Emma wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 1:51am: oooooh thats a goody gizmo. Really -- that IS the point. Too many people, - with way too many more popping up every minute. So YES I agree It'd be 'better' if the population was smaller, Yet I bet you are against war.
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Reply #74 - Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 7:13pm

Soren wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 10:40am:

Emma wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 1:51am:

oooooh thats a goody gizmo.

Really -- that IS the point.
Too many people, - with way too many more popping up every minute. So YES I agree

It'd be 'better' if the population was smaller,

Yet I bet you are against war.

Would you then?. So presumably you are for War, Soren,.just as CR, no credit to him, is against 'mass immigration' and 'aid to Africa'..

So this War you would approve of Soren?? who would you wage it against? Where? why? and How??
Do you know your enemy????

Sucker bet- I'm the RedCreature from Mars!! War is my ruler!!!

I'm AGAINST mass immigration, Sucker CR -- ESPECIALLY if AID to Africa could enable them to stay where they are.!!!!

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