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Re: Coalition has their own carbon tax?
Reply #30 - May 21^st, 2011 at 10:05am

Freediver you are missing the point.

Australia has many, many, many decades of black coal left to use for power.

Australia produces a minute, tiny percentage of emissions into the atmosphere (the problem has begun with India and China's huge increase not Australia).

There isn't a need in Australia to do anything about the way we get our energy.

A carbon tax in Australia, is simply not required or necessary.

All you do is make things more expensive and no impact at all on the world climate.

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Reply #31 - May 21^st, 2011 at 12:00pm

Sure, we could theoretically go on polluting and let the rest of the world solve the problem without us. But in the real world, actions have consequences. The political consequences of Australia's efforts to reduce emissions will inevitably reach far beyond our shores. It may sound like a cliche, but your argument really is this simplistic: you want us to be part of the problem, rather than part of the solution, merely because we have the coal available.

Putting a tax on greenhouse emissions does not have to involve switching to more expensive energy sources.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59372 Here Gender:	Re: Coalition has their own carbon tax? Reply #32 - May 21^st, 2011 at 12:26pm Maqqa wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 9:23am: Gillard's carbon tax and any other discussion of a carbon tax by either party is the direct result of the Ratification of Kyoto You do recall that Both Howard and Labor had a policy for a carbon tax in the 2007 election - well before Kyoyo?
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Coalition has their own carbon tax? Reply #33 - May 21^st, 2011 at 12:39pm I am still not seeing why Australia needs to do anything. If we actually stopped producing everything and Australia produced 0, you do realise that the little men up in Beijing would increase by more than Australia's drop off. See where the problem is? Clue - Think tanks, communism, animal cruelty.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Coalition has their own carbon tax? Reply #34 - May 21^st, 2011 at 12:51pm * have we formed a circle yet ?????? *
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49458 At my desk.	Re: Coalition has their own carbon tax? Reply #35 - May 21^st, 2011 at 12:53pm Andrei, there is a big gap between doing nothing about it and stopping everything. Don't you think it's a bit juvenile to pretend those are our only options?
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Coalition has their own carbon tax? Reply #36 - May 21^st, 2011 at 1:17pm THE WORLD OF PROPAGANDA IS A MAGICAL WORLD!!!
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remember_when64 Full Member Offline C'est la vie Posts: 172	Re: Coalition has their own carbon tax? Reply #37 - May 21^st, 2011 at 5:15pm .
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Re: Coalition has their own carbon tax?
Reply #38 - May 21^st, 2011 at 5:16pm

cods wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 6:18am:

who did you have in mind 64.??? we only have really 3 parties..and they all blur a bit..

That's the problem. At this time I don't see any party that I have complete faith in to come up with good policies for the country and that could actually implement policies properly.

cods wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 6:18am:

just be glad you dont have to live with them that all I can say.

lol, at my work we cover all flavours of politics so we have some good debates now and then when not too busy. Doesn't turn into a slagging match that this place is.

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 8:20am:

I see four serious contenders at the moment.

What's the fourth?

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Re: Coalition has their own carbon tax?
Reply #39 - May 21^st, 2011 at 5:21pm

Dnarever wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 12:26pm:

Maqqa wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 9:23am:

Gillard's carbon tax and any other discussion of a carbon tax by either party is the direct result of the Ratification of Kyoto

You do recall that Both Howard and Labor had a policy for a carbon tax in the 2007 election - well before Kyoyo?

The difference was Howard was didn't ratify Kyoto therefore he could always stop the tax if the numbers didn't stack up

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Coalition has their own carbon tax? Reply #40 - May 21^st, 2011 at 5:23pm Is it not blindingly obvious to all and sundry the problem is China??
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Coalition has their own carbon tax? Reply #41 - May 21^st, 2011 at 5:26pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 5:23pm: Is it not blindingly obvious to all and sundry the problem is China?? What about when America were the bad guys?!!?
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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Coalition has their own carbon tax? Reply #42 - May 21^st, 2011 at 5:26pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 5:23pm: Is it not blindingly obvious to all and sundry the problem is China?? Don't forget the cows in India andrei - they are as much to blame
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Re: Coalition has their own carbon tax?
Reply #43 - May 21^st, 2011 at 5:27pm

Maqqa wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 5:21pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 12:26pm:

Maqqa wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 9:23am:

Gillard's carbon tax and any other discussion of a carbon tax by either party is the direct result of the Ratification of Kyoto

You do recall that Both Howard and Labor had a policy for a carbon tax in the 2007 election - well before Kyoyo?

The difference was Howard was didn't ratify Kyoto therefore he could always stop the tax if the numbers didn't stack up

So why did he have anything to do with it at all then?

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Coalition has their own carbon tax? Reply #44 - May 21^st, 2011 at 5:27pm Well..now the Libs have a costly carbon tax..the right wingers have no where to go. Time to stop whinging
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