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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: Racism is a precursor to war! Reply #30 - May 31^st, 2011 at 12:56pm Against the class enemy there is no moral restraint - we are free in our conscience to wage class war and resist and retaliate by any means necessary. Sex Pistols - God Save the Queen Studio
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Reply #31 - May 31^st, 2011 at 5:27pm

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 10:39am:

Conspiracy Theorists are like Saruman (the hand job)
- unwittingly enslaved by the intrigue for Sauron's (the all-seeing Eye of Politics) 'corruption', cruelty, lies, malice and the will to dominate.
Anarchists are just the Orcs who breed without discipline upon such a 'political' behalf.

If you think Anarchy has something to do with conspiracy theories you can just bugger off. Grin

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Reply #32 - May 31^st, 2011 at 7:18pm

Prevailing wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 12:56pm:

Against the class enemy there is no moral restraint - we are free in our conscience to wage class war and resist and retaliate by any means necessary.

An interesting statement, which you seem to think is in conflict with what I said. Well it's not entirely but I wouldn't say anything like it without qualification. We'll look at that more closely but first... The Sex Pistols are an Anarchist role model? Apart fromn the pathos of Sid, your aware that John Lydon has said, 'I'm rich now, and that's all I wanted to be'? Though I do like John and I'm aware that not all he says should be taken at face value, there's better Anarchist musicians. Chumbawamba put their money where their mouth is.

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Against the class enemy there is no moral restraint

I consider 'morals' to be a seeped in religiosity. Anarchists have always acted ethically. It's one thing to show resistance to the lack of ethics of fascists like the G8, it's another to attempt to lead ordinary folk into a revolution that uses them as canon fodder. Revolution never changes the structure, it just sheds a lot of blood and changes one lot of executives for another.

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we are free in our conscience to wage class war

Who's this 'we'. Have you given your conscience away to a collective? War is a destructive urge. There's no point knocking the house down until you've built another.

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and resist and retaliate by any means necessary.

The best way to resist and retaliate is to build viable alternatives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WOMBLES

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It_is_the_Darkness Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4000 in a ReTardis Gender:	Re: Racism is a precursor to war! Reply #33 - May 31^st, 2011 at 7:58pm I was here first Grey, you can farrrrrrk off
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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Racism is a precursor to war! Reply #34 - May 31^st, 2011 at 8:18pm It_is_the_Darkness wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 7:58pm: I was here first Grey, you can farrrrrrk off I was offering your best option, if you insist on staying we shall have to fight and as you've got nothing you better throw the first stone.
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Racism is a precursor to war! Reply #35 - May 31^st, 2011 at 8:34pm Prevailing wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 12:56pm: Against the class enemy there is no moral restraint - we are free in our conscience to wage class war and resist and retaliate by any means necessary. The class enemy... in Australia
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It_is_the_Darkness Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4000 in a ReTardis Gender:	Re: Racism is a precursor to war! Reply #36 - May 31^st, 2011 at 9:06pm Well Grey, if you choose to declare War upon me - then I shall be forced to defend myself. The loser will be banished from this entire Forum forever!
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Reply #37 - May 31^st, 2011 at 11:41pm

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The Sex Pistols are an Anarchist role model? Apart fromn the pathos of Sid, your aware that John Lydon has said, 'I'm rich now, and that's all I wanted to be'?

You dont like the fact that they used balls to the wall Anarchy, disorder and anti establishment rebelliousness to defeat the system - they succeeded, over came their class assignment to fail,l mentally first then financially and all the while sneering contemptuously at their enemies.

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Who's this 'we'. Have you given your conscience away to a collective? War is a destructive urge. There's no point knocking the house down until you've built another.

I am not here to fix the system, I want to destroy it, I identify collectively with all in the struggle against fascism and all authority.

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I consider 'morals' to be a seeped in religiosity. Anarchists have always acted ethically. It's one thing to show resistance to the lack of ethics of fascists like the G8, it's another to attempt to lead ordinary folk into a revolution that uses them as canon fodder. Revolution never changes the structure, it just sheds a lot of blood and changes one lot of executives for another.

I see you have a middle class friendly "Anarchy"...dare I say it...Liberal....You have the kind of Anarchy that never wants to be uncomfortable, will never threaten or challenge the status quo enough to shift thing and cause change. You shun disorder and chaos, yet you are "Anarchist"? Better to thrive and die in chaos than lay down and live in slavery. Better not go around upsetting people giving a wrong impression of "Anarchy".... Cool

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Reply #38 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 1:11am

Universal Music Publishing Group has bought the rights to the band’s catalogue and been given express permission to “fully maximise the value” of compositions. Harvey Nichols, beloved of posh ladies, has been first to sign up for a little anarchy with a Sex Pistols summer window display across international outlets featuring the band’s music, artwork and lyrics, to mark the 30th anniversary.

There will be a range of “anarchy” ringtones, and other possibilities include Sex Pistols action figures

John Lydon Lead vocalist
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I'm a baby boomer Prevailing. We invented shocking behaviour. I was fighting police, racists, involved in the first squat in park lane and funding womens refuges and the counterculture before your daddy could get a hard on. Grin

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Reply #39 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 1:17am

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 9:06pm:

Well Grey, if you choose to declare War upon me - then I shall be forced to defend myself.

The loser will be banished from this entire Forum forever!

I was suggesting a metaphorical fight Jas, about Anarchism. You seem, like Prevailing, to buy into the establishments description of Anarchism. The truth is worth knowing. You are not my enemy.

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Reply #40 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 7:57am

Grey wrote on Jun 1^st, 2011 at 1:11am:

Universal Music Publishing Group has bought the rights to the band’s catalogue and been given express permission to “fully maximise the value” of compositions. Harvey Nichols, beloved of posh ladies, has been first to sign up for a little anarchy with a Sex Pistols summer window display across international outlets featuring the band’s music, artwork and lyrics, to mark the 30th anniversary.

There will be a range of “anarchy” ringtones, and other possibilities include Sex Pistols action figures

John Lydon Lead vocalist
Age 50
Estimated wealth £10 million
Profile Property developer, lives in Malibu, California, with German heiress wife Nora. Presented insect series on Discovery Channel

Steve Jones Guitar
Age 50
Estimated wealth £1 million
Profile Teetotal father, campaigns to curb swearing on television. Radio presenter in Los Angeles

Prevailing
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Estimated wealth pocket money
Profile Trying to change the world by being 'shocking' everybody
squeezes pimples and picks at scabs.

I'm a baby boomer Prevailing. We invented shocking behaviour. I was fighting police, racists, involved in the first squat in park lane and funding womens refuges and the counterculture before your daddy could get a hard on. Grin

Syd Vicious - Dead did not sell out

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“Undermine their pompous authority, reject their moral standards, make anarchy and disorder your trademarks. Cause as much chaos and disruption as possible but don’t let them take you ALIVE.”

Yours is the most tediously boring of strategies to pretend to adopt your opponents position in order to say their position is actually a conservative, conformist anally retentive, submissive ideology that offends nobody and works towards the capitalist, Imperialist ideal. Roll Eyes

Sex Pistols - Sid Vicious - My Way

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Reply #41 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:51am

Too late Grey.
Like Mellie & It_is_the_Light, you too will come to know the Power of the Dark Side. Smiley

Your 'Televisual' powers of ABC are no match for the deep, dark, cold abyssal Hadal that governs my soul.

The Anarchy you speak of was more Music justifying itself away from Political power more than a sense of political undiscipline, disinterest and chaotic behaviour. To take the Western way, more like a Wanker telling a Gay, that he just wants to ro-ot around with women rather than embrace material gain.
Another side-step Roll Eyes

Because the UK is a colony of the USA (and nothing but a Service Provider nation by 90% these days Grin

). Most of Europe has the reverse with Music being the Empowered state of Individualism and Politics being the rebellious Wanker.

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Reply #42 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 10:49am

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:51am:

Too late Grey.
Like Mellie & It_is_the_Light, you too will come to know the Power of the Dark Side. Smiley

Your 'Televisual' powers of ABC are no match for the deep, dark, cold abyssal Hadal that governs my soul.

The Anarchy you speak of was more Music justifying itself away from Political power more than a sense of political undiscipline, disinterest and chaotic behaviour. To take the Western way, more like a Wanker telling a Gay, that he just wants to ro-ot around with women rather than embrace material gain.
Another side-step Roll Eyes

Because the UK is a colony of the USA (and nothing but a Service Provider nation by 90% these days Grin

). Most of Europe has the reverse with Music being the Empowered state of Individualism and Politics being the rebellious Wanker.

The power of the daft side holds no fears jas. No more than the establishment's useful idiot prevailing embracing their dissing definition of anarchism as chaos.

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It_is_the_Darkness Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4000 in a ReTardis Gender:	Re: Racism is a precursor to war! Reply #43 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 10:56am Bow down Grey and kiss my Ring ...and all will be forgiven.
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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Racism is a precursor to war! Reply #44 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 11:12am Prevailing wrote on Jun 1^st, 2011 at 7:57am: Syd Vicious - Dead did not sell out John Lydon has more authenticity in his pinkie than Syd had in his whole pathetic life.
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