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Where Have All The Shoppers Gone.
May 29th, 2011 at 10:02am
 
We have become frugal and this, together with growing online purchasing overseas, is hammering the local retail industry.   Cry

DESPITE record low prices for many electrical goods and gadgets, despite falling grocery prices, despite reasonably strong wage growth and strong employment, we've stopped spending. Big time.   Huh

David Jones has a clearance sale beginning this week, Myer has a winter sale that finishes today, walk down the high street in any town and you will see discounts - a sign of an industry in distress.

The major retailers launch sale after sale but it has little impact on our cautious stance. We want absolute bargains, or we are not spending at all.


In addition, the surge in the $A is taking more of what money we are prepared to spend offshore as we get more confident shopping online and are growing to like it and the flexibility it offers. After all, why shouldn't we benefit from our surging currency?

While statistics show we still prefer to spend online with local companies, this is rapidly changing as more of us check out overseas bargains and are successful in the online transaction. Plus, offshore online retailers such as Amazon are offering free shipping to Australia once you spend over certain levels, or free shipping regardless.

Retail sales figures for April are due out this week and may show a small lift after a fall in March, economists say, but overall retail spending is running at around a 2.5 per cent annual growth rate, pretty much the same as inflation. That's unheard of in an industry used to sales growth three times that rate.

Margy Osmond, chief executive of the Australian National Retailers Association (ANRA), says local retailers are under siege.   Cry

"Things are grim," she says. "The definition of confidence has changed - it used to mean that people were happy to spend, but now, if they are feeling fairly chipper and they've got a job, they still sit on the money. We've got a historically cautious shopper - frugal is the new black, saving is the fashionable thing to do and being a bargain hunter is almost a badge of honour."

Brian Redican, senior economist at Macquarie Bank, says consumer spending patterns have changed.

"The baby boomers, who are the ones with the capacity to spend, are rebuilding their savings and nest eggs ahead of retirement after getting scared following the impact of the global financial crisis, while the younger generations have been hit by rising electricity bills, rising water bills, rising housing costs - they are under the pump."

But Mr Redican says that even if consumers change their stance, the Reserve Bank will cut them off at the pass and aggressively lift interest rates to stop them spending anyway. "By hook or by crook it will be a tough year for the retail sector," he says.

Deutsche Bank senior economist Phil O'Donaghoe agrees. "Household savings are running at a 9.8 per cent rate; you have to go back to the 1980s to get a comparable rate.

"While I think this savings rate is as high as it will get, as soon as the household sector starts to spend, the Reserve Bank will stop it by lifting interest rates. Business investment, driven by the miners, is a long way above normal and if the household sector joins that, we will have a significant threat to inflation."

On this basis, the retail sector will struggle while the mining boom continues, says Mr O'Donaghoe. "There's a very simple two speed economy right there."

The retail stocks are showing it too. Myer hit a record low of $2.77 last Tuesday well off its float price of $4.10 of 18 months ago. Former stockmarket favourite JB Hi-Fi hit a 12-month low of $16.33 last week too, and David Jones and Harvey Norman are near similar levels.

Then we had news early last week that James Packer was part of a consortium spending $80 million for a 40 per cent stake in online daily deals websites 'Catch of the Day' and 'Scoopon', his second major online retailing investment in as many months. There are signs of big changes there.

ANRA's Ms Osmond says online retailing, while not huge yet in Australia, is starting to impact the High St retailers. "It's got legs and heading in an upward trend," she says.

But she has a warning: "Remember if you are buying online from overseas, it's difficult to return goods, and the consumer protection that everyone is used to here, doesn't apply to overseas retailers. I expect we will soon see some stories emerge of less-than-happy experiences in that space."


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Reply #1 - May 29th, 2011 at 10:06am
 
It is very easy to understand.  Retailers have had it to good for to long, and consumers are now awake to them, (After a very long time).  The answer is simple, cut your prices.   Wink
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Reply #2 - May 29th, 2011 at 10:52am
 
Imcrook are you available for children's parties?


You don't half have a healthy, happy go lucky outlook on life mate.
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Reply #3 - May 29th, 2011 at 10:52am
 
We just bought a new car so we're doing our bit.
It could just be most people are now discovering saving for what you buy is much more satisfying than getting into debt.
I see no problem with businesses that have until now relyed on consumers racking up their credit card debt are going to the wall or learning to run their businesses on less of a boom and bust cycle.
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Reply #4 - May 29th, 2011 at 10:53am
 
adelcrow wrote on May 29th, 2011 at 10:52am:
We just bought a new car so we're doing our bit.
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Bet it cost you more there than it would here.
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Reply #5 - May 29th, 2011 at 10:59am
 
Crook.
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The major retailers launch sale after sale


True but I have watched certain shops carefully & their sales are a lie.
The prices have been the same for more than one year
regardless of huge sale signs on their shops.
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Reply #6 - May 29th, 2011 at 11:19am
 
People are feeling insecure, so they're hanging onto their money.....and we're all shopped out, we've been compulsively buying sh1t we don't need for decades, it's just not fun anymore. It's becoming more fun to see what you don't buy.
Shop 'til you drop.....is dead and buried.
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Reply #7 - May 29th, 2011 at 11:21am
 
AUSTRALIAN retailers must explain why they charge huge mark-ups on products that cost half as much from overseas internet companies, consumer group Choice says.   Wink

And global companies with a presence in Australia prevent local customers taking advantage of cheaper prices offered on their overseas websites, it says.

In its submission on Friday to the Productivity Commission's retail inquiry, Choice says the strong Australian dollar should enable local retailers to pass on savings to their customers.

It has found that the same pair of Nike running shoes costs $240 at a major Australian sports retailer while consumers can buy the same shoes for $134 from an online store based in the US.   Sad

Choice says the top 12 music albums cost 73 per cent more if purchased from the Australia iTunes store instead of the US iTunes store.

But Australians are barred from using US iTunes.


The popular video game Portal 2 for Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 costs 91 per cent more from a major Australian online retailer than from a website based in Asia.

"There are too many examples, from white goods to motorcycles and TVs to video games, where we pay more,'' Choice campaigns director Christopher Zinn said in a statement.  Angry

"It's up to those in the supply chain here in Australia to justify why this is the case.

"Importers and retailers should not cry foul if consumers chase better prices, wherever they may be.''   Wink

Last December, big retailers such as Harvey Norman, Borders, Target and David Jones waged a campaign against the $1000 GST-free threshold for retail products purchased overseas.

They labelled it unfair and argued it would cost jobs.

The National Retail Association representing 3700 small shops followed suit.

The debate urged the federal government to announce a Productivity Commission inquiry into the future of Australia's retail industry.

Choice said overseas retailers offered better prices, better service and a much larger range of roducts.

Eliminating the GST-free threshold would do nothing to dissuade Australian customers from continuing to enjoy big savings from buying online.   Wink

Choice also attacked global retailers with a presence in Australia for preventing the use of Australian credit cards on their overseas sites.

"We are challenging global corporations to drop the artificial technological barriers used to block competitive prices online, such as those affecting software and music downloads,'' Mr Zinn said.

"There is no reason why Australians should pay more than consumers in comparable countries for digitally delivered items like software.''

The Productivity Commission has been asked to report on the current structure, performance and efficiency of the retail sector and the broader issues contributing to the increase in online purchasing by Australian consumers.


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Reply #8 - May 29th, 2011 at 11:23am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 29th, 2011 at 11:19am:
People are feeling insecure, so they're hanging onto their money.....and we're all shopped out, we've been compulsively buying sh1t we don't need for decades, it's just not fun anymore. It's becoming more fun to see what you don't buy.
Shop 'til you drop.....is dead and buried.



Pansi, with the greatest respect, I am not sure if you give out advice on economic outlook that you're the best example to follow.

You'd be the same age, give or take as my parents, certainly same generation.
Why is it they are retired and sit on assets and savings that allow them to play golf and go on cruises whereas you still need to work in a low-skill, low wage job?

I mean, you took a wrong turn somewhere in comparison to them.

Is that not fair?

I just had visions of my mother working on a check-out counter  Grin
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Reply #9 - May 29th, 2011 at 11:24am
 
AUSTRALIAN retailers must explain why they charge huge mark-ups on products that cost half as much from overseas internet companies, consumer group Choice says.   Yes please explain, we would like an answer.   Sad
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Reply #10 - May 29th, 2011 at 11:32am
 
I have just returned from the US (my wifes birthday, so we went to Hawaii for a week) and while there we purchased goods and clothing that were around one third to half the price we would pay in Australia. What especially annoyed me was the price of books. A paperback that would retail for around $21 in Australia cost US$7.99.

A reasonable mark up is one thing, but 100-150% is something else again.
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Reply #11 - May 29th, 2011 at 11:36am
 
Belgarion wrote on May 29th, 2011 at 11:32am:
I have just returned from the US (my wifes birthday, so we went to Hawaii for a week) and while there we purchased goods and clothing that were around one third to half the price we would pay in Australia. What especially annoyed me was the price of books. A paperback that would retail for around $21 in Australia cost US$7.99.

A reasonable mark up is one thing, but 100-150% is something else again.



I've said this til I am blue in the face that Australia is a rip-off but you all seem happy to pay it.

Why is a Qantas business class return to London, 4k pounds in the UK and to Aussies it is $12k. It's the same seat!!!!

Why is an XBOX game in the UK 14 pounds and in Australia the same game is $99.
It's made in Singapore. 7 hours from Australia and 13 hours from the UK.

I could go on and on - why are Timberland boots $45 in San Diego but $260 in Australia.

Australia is a rip-off, it is an expensive country and the reason?
Because you are all so bloody gullible you accept it.

The banks introduced ATM fees in the UK the other year. The public outrage was such that within 2 weeks they had reversed that decision and refunded all charges.

How about Australia?
Introduced, no discontent and now they are there for good.

You have yourselves to blame as to why you live in such an expensive country.

Didn't even mention that we pay 90c for petrol and you pay $1.40 did i?
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Reply #12 - May 29th, 2011 at 12:05pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 29th, 2011 at 11:36am:
Belgarion wrote on May 29th, 2011 at 11:32am:
I have just returned from the US (my wifes birthday, so we went to Hawaii for a week) and while there we purchased goods and clothing that were around one third to half the price we would pay in Australia. What especially annoyed me was the price of books. A paperback that would retail for around $21 in Australia cost US$7.99.

A reasonable mark up is one thing, but 100-150% is something else again.



I've said this til I am blue in the face that Australia is a rip-off but you all seem happy to pay it.

Why is a Qantas business class return to London, 4k pounds in the UK and to Aussies it is $12k. It's the same seat!!!!

Why is an XBOX game in the UK 14 pounds and in Australia the same game is $99.
It's made in Singapore. 7 hours from Australia and 13 hours from the UK.

I could go on and on - why are Timberland boots $45 in San Diego but $260 in Australia.

Australia is a rip-off, it is an expensive country and the reason?
Because you are all so bloody gullible you accept it.

The banks introduced ATM fees in the UK the other year. The public outrage was such that within 2 weeks they had reversed that decision and refunded all charges.

How about Australia?
Introduced, no discontent and now they are there for good.

You have yourselves to blame as to why you live in such an expensive country.

Didn't even mention that we pay 90c for petrol and you pay $1.40 did i?
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Andrei- there is nothing much we can do about the thieves
selling stuff in shops except to buy online.
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Reply #13 - May 29th, 2011 at 12:08pm
 
All these price comparisons are meaningless without also adding profit margins into the mix.

If for example the net profit margin for those books mentioned is the same for our book stores as it is for US book stores then, clearly, the mark up is accounted for in taxes, general overheads and labour.

Thinking only in terms of gross comparisons does nothing to highlight why product is more expensive here than there.
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Reply #14 - May 29th, 2011 at 12:18pm
 
WORKERS verses CONSUMERS.

Australia: Workers will always win out.
America: Consumers will always win out.

...if you don't like it - F-Off!
Or learn to Bargain hard in Australia.
Or earn that Tip in America.

So in Australia, make sure you are working for the right Company like the Victorian Desal Plant for example, where 'Workers' have just recieved a 57% pay increase plus extras, thanks to their Union. Expect all Consumers to pay towards that Pay Increase with higher Water Rates.
In Sydney Workers went on strike for more pay with driving Buses. 3 months later there was a rise of 30c for Consumers to pay ...towards the pay rise.
So, as a Consumer - guess you can either just deal with it and find yourself a good job that covers the high consumer costs or cry like mad "I'm as mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore"  Angry and go belt those Workers and their Union up for ripping you off.
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Workers v Consumers.
In Australia, the Consumer is never right. Tongue
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