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Reply #15 - May 29^th, 2011 at 2:58pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 29^th, 2011 at 11:19am:

People are feeling insecure, so they're hanging onto their money.....and we're all shopped out, we've been compulsively buying sh1t we don't need for decades, it's just not fun anymore. It's becoming more fun to see what you don't buy.
Shop 'til you drop.....is dead and buried.

yeh bits of plastic rubbish that ends up in landfill or in the ocean Sad

That's all part of the mythical growth fairy that we have to keep buying useless rubbish we don't need in order to keep the economy going Sad

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In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.

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Reply #16 - May 29^th, 2011 at 3:07pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 29^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 29^th, 2011 at 11:19am:

People are feeling insecure, so they're hanging onto their money.....and we're all shopped out, we've been compulsively buying sh1t we don't need for decades, it's just not fun anymore. It's becoming more fun to see what you don't buy.
Shop 'til you drop.....is dead and buried.

Pansi, with the greatest respect, I am not sure if you give out advice on economic outlook that you're the best example to follow.

You'd be the same age, give or take as my parents, certainly same generation.
Why is it they are retired and sit on assets and savings that allow them to play golf and go on cruises whereas you still need to work in a low-skill, low wage job?

I mean, you took a wrong turn somewhere in comparison to them.

Is that not fair?

I just had visions of my mother working on a check-out counter Grin

yes but your parents need half of the worlds population to live on less than a dollar a day in order to live the life that your parents do. Is that fair ??

I assume that your parents have shares in some resource company that literally steals away resources and assets from some 3rd world country with absolutely NO compensation for its citizens Sad

Is that fair ??

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In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.

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Reply #17 - May 29^th, 2011 at 3:37pm

andrei<<Pansi, with the greatest respect, I am not sure if you give out advice on economic outlook that you're the best example to follow.

You'd be the same age, give or take as my parents, certainly same generation.
Why is it they are retired and sit on assets and savings that allow them to play golf and go on cruises whereas you still need to work in a low-skill, low wage job?

I mean, you took a wrong turn somewhere in comparison to them.

Is that not fair?

I just had visions of my mother working on a check-out counter>.

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I'm merely giving an opinion, not asking people to follow.

I wonder if your mother took a wrong turn somewhere along the way? I'm sure your attitudes are more nurture than nature. I try to live life with a clear conscience, and I try not to take advantage of others that are less fortunate than myself.

I would never swap places with your parents. My life has a reason other than lying on a beach somewhere, or going on a cruise to while away the days......waiting to die.

I don't actually work on a check out counter....now write a list of jobs people would do in a multinational retail chain. I'm sure a smart kid like you can come up with at least a dozen, google if you have to.

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andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....

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Reply #18 - May 29^th, 2011 at 4:08pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 29^th, 2011 at 3:37pm:

I don't actually work on a check out counter....now write a list of jobs people would do in a multinational retail chain. I'm sure a smart kid like you can come up with at least a dozen, google if you have to.

Far be it for me to tell you how to live your life, but if you are still working in a 'retail chain' at your time of life, you've not done very well in regards to saving up your assets.

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Reply #19 - May 29^th, 2011 at 4:09pm

Sir lastnail wrote on May 29^th, 2011 at 3:07pm:

I assume that your parents have shares in some resource company that literally steals away resources and assets from some 3rd world country with absolutely NO compensation for its citizens Sad

Is that fair ??

That's a massive broad sweeping assumption there mate.

I don't actually know what is in their share portfolio, it ain't my business.

I've got Monsanto and British American Tobacco as well as BP and Shell Wink

All ethics, me.

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Reply #20 - May 29^th, 2011 at 4:13pm

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It is very easy to understand. Retailers have had it to good for to long, and consumers are now awake to them, (After a very long time). The answer is simple, cut your prices. Wink

That's a wonderful idea imcrook....in theory.

But cutting prices means reducing profits....the shortfall would have to made up from somewhere..

So which do you favour:
1/ Reducing the hourly rate for employees
2/ Reducing the hours worked by employees
3/ Reducing the NUMBER of employees
OR
4/ Reducing the viability of the business by running it at a loss, until the company fails and ALL employees get sacked

??????

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Reply #21 - May 29^th, 2011 at 4:34pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 29^th, 2011 at 4:13pm:

Quote:

It is very easy to understand. Retailers have had it to good for to long, and consumers are now awake to them, (After a very long time). The answer is simple, cut your prices. Wink

That's a wonderful idea imcrook....in theory.

But cutting prices means reducing profits....the shortfall would have to made up from somewhere..

So which do you favour:
1/ Reducing the hourly rate for employees
2/ Reducing the hours worked by employees
3/ Reducing the NUMBER of employees
OR
4/ Reducing the viability of the business by running it at a loss, until the company fails and ALL employees get sacked

??????

Or, how about...

Being satisfied with making a MODEST profit, while keeping
workers employed, and putting profit BACK INTO the business.

Rather than the 'maximum profit possible, and to hell with
the employees and customers, so long as the investors and
bosses get the lion's share' mentality that seems to pervade
business these days.

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Reply #22 - May 29^th, 2011 at 4:36pm

Kat wrote on May 29^th, 2011 at 4:34pm:

Being satisfied with making a MODEST profit, while keeping
workers employed, and putting profit BACK INTO the business.

Rather than the 'maximum profit possible, and to hell with
the employees, so long as the investors and bosses get the
lion's share' mentality that seems to pervade business these days.

Mate you tell me the career life-span of a CEO that begins his address to shareholders (people like you and me) with

"We could have made a lot more. But we decided to settle on this modest profit so we're just paying 2c per share instead of the 5c per share which we could have got"

The purpose of a company is to MAXIMISE SHAREHOLDER WEALTH - you actually learn that day 1 in accounting anc economics.

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Reply #23 - May 29^th, 2011 at 4:38pm

Kat wrote on May 29^th, 2011 at 4:34pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 29^th, 2011 at 4:13pm:

Quote:

It is very easy to understand. Retailers have had it to good for to long, and consumers are now awake to them, (After a very long time). The answer is simple, cut your prices. Wink

That's a wonderful idea imcrook....in theory.

But cutting prices means reducing profits....the shortfall would have to made up from somewhere..

So which do you favour:
1/ Reducing the hourly rate for employees
2/ Reducing the hours worked by employees
3/ Reducing the NUMBER of employees
OR
4/ Reducing the viability of the business by running it at a loss, until the company fails and ALL employees get sacked

??????

Or, how about...

Being satisfied with making a MODEST profit, while keeping
workers employed, and putting profit BACK INTO the business.

Rather than the 'maximum profit possible, and to hell with
the employees and customers, so long as the investors and
bosses get the lion's share' mentality that seems to pervade
business these days.

And how do companies attract investors if they don't show any share growth???

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #24 - May 29^th, 2011 at 4:43pm

It seriously irritates me...

People like Imcrook and Nails (to a lesser extent) are always carrying on about wages and costs...

It's fine to want decent wages for the workers OR cheap goods for the consumers..

But you can't have both at the same time.......in order to have wages growth, you MUST have high profits, and to get a chain store company to open more stores, they must have high enough profits to attract investors. Investors are what provides the capital for expansion...

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #25 - May 29^th, 2011 at 4:45pm

i observe many in a state of confusion yes

there is no need for consumerisms as the masses are starting

to wake up yes and reject useless shiv made in china and other

places empowering slave labors.....

there is no going back to the past the future is now

you may integrate this into your consciousness or live in the past

freewill you see?

so be it

namaste

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Reply #27 - May 29^th, 2011 at 4:55pm

Kat wrote on May 29^th, 2011 at 4:34pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 29^th, 2011 at 4:13pm:

Quote:

It is very easy to understand. Retailers have had it to good for to long, and consumers are now awake to them, (After a very long time). The answer is simple, cut your prices. Wink

That's a wonderful idea imcrook....in theory.

But cutting prices means reducing profits....the shortfall would have to made up from somewhere..

So which do you favour:
1/ Reducing the hourly rate for employees
2/ Reducing the hours worked by employees
3/ Reducing the NUMBER of employees
OR
4/ Reducing the viability of the business by running it at a loss, until the company fails and ALL employees get sacked

??????

Or, how about...

Being satisfied with making a MODEST profit, while keeping
workers employed, and putting profit BACK INTO the business.

Rather than the 'maximum profit possible, and to hell with
the employees and customers, so long as the investors and
bosses get the lion's share' mentality that seems to pervade
business these days.

You've never run a business, have you? you want business owners to have all the risk and little of the reward??? People dont go thru the stress, risk and long hours of owning their own business just to earn less money than they can get for working half the hours and not risking bankruptcy at the same time.

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Reply #28 - May 29^th, 2011 at 4:56pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 29^th, 2011 at 4:43pm:

It seriously irritates me...

People like Imcrook and Nails (to a lesser extent) are always carrying on about wages and costs...

It's fine to want decent wages for the workers OR cheap goods for the consumers..

But you can't have both at the same time.......in order to have wages growth, you MUST have high profits, and to get a chain store company to open more stores, they must have high enough profits to attract investors. Investors are what provides the capital for expansion...

You are right. these two dimwits seem to think that money for salaries is somehow not connected to the profitability of the business.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #29 - May 29^th, 2011 at 5:11pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 29^th, 2011 at 4:38pm:

Kat wrote on May 29^th, 2011 at 4:34pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 29^th, 2011 at 4:13pm:

Quote:

It is very easy to understand. Retailers have had it to good for to long, and consumers are now awake to them, (After a very long time). The answer is simple, cut your prices. Wink

That's a wonderful idea imcrook....in theory.

But cutting prices means reducing profits....the shortfall would have to made up from somewhere..

So which do you favour:
1/ Reducing the hourly rate for employees
2/ Reducing the hours worked by employees
3/ Reducing the NUMBER of employees
OR
4/ Reducing the viability of the business by running it at a loss, until the company fails and ALL employees get sacked

??????

Or, how about...

Being satisfied with making a MODEST profit, while keeping
workers employed, and putting profit BACK INTO the business.

Rather than the 'maximum profit possible, and to hell with
the employees and customers, so long as the investors and
bosses get the lion's share' mentality that seems to pervade
business these days.

And how do companies attract investors if they don't show any share growth???

Where did I say 'no growth'?

Growth is fine.

Growth at any price, is not.

I have never claimed to be an economist or business-owner, I
was just trying to float an idea which seems to me to be a
common-sense compromise between two extremes. I didn't
realise that one had to be a businessman or economist to
simply make comments or suggestions.

Obviously, I have either failed, or have been misunderstood.

Sorry. Won't bother in future.

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