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Coldest May on record due to global warming
May 31^st, 2011 at 7:27pm

http://www.smh.com.au/national/coldest-may-on-record-for-darwin-20110531-1fe1x.h...

Darwin and other parts of Northern Australia have just had their coldest May on record.

According to weatherzone.com.au, Darwin's average temperatures were more than two degrees colder than average by night and more than a degree colder than average by day, with overnight minimum's averaging 19.9 degrees, and daytime maximums just under 31 degrees.

It turned out to be the coldest May on record, equal with May 1960, averaging just 25.3 degrees, almost two degrees colder than the long-term norm.

"The cold has affected every district in the Northern Territory”, Weatherzone meteorologist Brett Dutschke told The Age.

“This is due to persistent south-easterly winds which have been very dry, a result of three major cold fronts across south-eastern Australia in the last three weeks," Mr Dutschke said.

Katherine also had its coldest May in more than 20 years, with average overnight minimums at just 14 degrees, about two-and-a-half degrees colder than the long-term average.

Katherine's daytime maximums averaged just under 30 degrees, more than two degrees colder than the long-term average.

Alyangula on Groote Eylandt, Wollogorang and Tennant Creek all had record cold May nights. Alice Springs also had a cold May, with combined daytime and overnight temperatures the lowest in 11 years.

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming Reply #1 - May 31^st, 2011 at 7:29pm Key words are (1) Lowest in 11 years (2) Lower than long term averages But I thought it was too late Why is it colder when supposedly carbon emissions have increased dramatically Lefties will now switch from "Global Warming" to "Global Cooling"
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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming Reply #2 - May 31^st, 2011 at 7:35pm Extremes at both ends of the scale. But why bother eh Maqqa it's all weather and no climate. Changes every minute
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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming Reply #3 - May 31^st, 2011 at 7:39pm I'll let you have that one again dsmithy especially the issue about weather and climate I am stringing perception and astro along on this issue but you are welcome to join the the game
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming Reply #4 - May 31^st, 2011 at 7:55pm Dsmithy70 wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 7:35pm: Extremes at both ends of the scale. But why bother eh Maqqa it's all weather and no climate. Changes every minute How many months of weather is a climate? Hot months indicate a trend of warming climate. Cold months are just weather.
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Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming
Reply #5 - May 31^st, 2011 at 8:02pm

Soren wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 7:55pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 7:35pm:

Extremes at both ends of the scale.
But why bother eh Maqqa it's all weather and no climate.
Changes every minute

How many months of weather is a climate?

Hot months indicate a trend of warming climate. Cold months are just weather.

When have monthly weather patterns been quoted?
It's always the total temperature average over the year against other years and from memory temperature continues to increase in that area.

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Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming
Reply #6 - May 31^st, 2011 at 8:05pm

Yes, the cold weather is due to global warming.
Perhaps it should be now known as global cooling, as afterall the scientific models can be manipulated just as easily to prove that the earth is cooling.

And, remember in summer when we had some hot days, the global warming nutters were shouting from the roof tops that the hot weather was due to global warming.
They just refused to accept that it was summer weather.

Well, now it is approaching winter weather so the cold weather MUST be due to global warming!!!

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Reply #7 - May 31^st, 2011 at 8:13pm

As long as we are on the topic of WEATHER and CLIMATE

Lets explore first the cause of WEATHER

What are the key ingredients of WEATHER?

Temperature (from the Sun) and concentration of moisture in one place compared to another

So where does Carbon come into this when carbon represents 0.004% of the atmosphere?

How does 0.004% impact the concentration of moisture

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Reply #8 - May 31^st, 2011 at 8:16pm

creep wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 8:05pm:

Yes, the cold weather is due to global warming.
Perhaps it should be now known as global cooling, as afterall the scientific models can be manipulated just as easily to prove that the earth is cooling.

And, remember in summer when we had some hot days, the global warming nutters were shouting from the roof tops that the hot weather was due to global warming.
They just refused to accept that it was summer weather.

Well, now it is approaching winter weather so the cold weather MUST be due to global warming!!!

EXTREMES AT BOTH ENDS
I have never nor will never quote a single event as climate change.
What others do is their business.

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Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming
Reply #9 - May 31^st, 2011 at 8:21pm

Maqqa wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 8:13pm:

As long as we are on the topic of WEATHER and CLIMATE

Lets explore first the cause of WEATHER

What are the key ingredients of WEATHER?

Temperature (from the Sun) and concentration of moisture in one place compared to another

So where does Carbon come into this when carbon represents 0.004% of the atmosphere?

How does 0.004% impact the concentration of moisture

From memory(and no I'm not going searching) the CO2 in the atmosphere traps the reflected heat from the earth and prevents it from escaping back into space.
Causing more melting of icecaps and therefore less reflection of light and more heat which is in turn absorded by the oceans, etc etc.
But there's plenty of info out there if you really want to know(which I know you don't Wink

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mavisdavis Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1512	Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming Reply #10 - May 31^st, 2011 at 8:23pm Yes naughty! it`s called. CLIMATE CHANGE!
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Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming
Reply #11 - May 31^st, 2011 at 8:28pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 8:21pm:

From memory(and no I'm not going searching) the CO2 in the atmosphere traps the reflected heat from the earth and prevents it from escaping back into space.
Causing more melting of icecaps and therefore less reflection of light and more heat which is in turn absorded by the oceans, etc etc.
But there's plenty of info out there if you really want to know(which I know you don't Wink

)

Partially correct.

The global warmists initially claimed that the Co2 was trapped and therefore caused more ice in the Arctic.
Then they saw that teh Arctic had indeed melted.
SO teh global warmists changed their model so that it would show that the Arctic was melting.
But the global warmists have ignored the Antartic. And the Antartic is 2-3 times the size of the Arctic.
The ANtartcis is growing.
Strange that the same global warming model used for the Arctic is not able to explain the growth of the Antartic.

Now, the Co2 doesnt escape and actually is like a blanket over the oceans.
And that causes an increase in evaporation of the oceans.
But where does that water vapour go to?
The global warmists deny that the water vapour becomes clouds, as if they admitted that then that destroys the whole global warming argument.
As the global warming scientists admit that if the increase in water vapour (a 2% increase within 50 years) becomes cloud then there is NO GLOBAL WARMING.
So where's the water vapour go, if not turning into clouds?

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Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming
Reply #12 - May 31^st, 2011 at 8:28pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 8:21pm:

From memory(and no I'm not going searching) the CO2 in the atmosphere traps the reflected heat from the earth and prevents it from escaping back into space.
Causing more melting of icecaps and therefore less reflection of light and more heat which is in turn absorded by the oceans, etc etc.
But there's plenty of info out there if you really want to know(which I know you don't Wink

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0.004% carbon in the atmosphere traps that much heat inside to melt polar ice caps?

so what happened during the ice age when everything was reflected?

and when ice started to melt (with no humans was around) how did it heat up again?

if your reflection theory is true the Earth wouldn't heat up after the first ice age - no humans and no heat from the sun

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Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming
Reply #13 - May 31^st, 2011 at 8:37pm

Maqqa wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 8:28pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 8:21pm:

From memory(and no I'm not going searching) the CO2 in the atmosphere traps the reflected heat from the earth and prevents it from escaping back into space.
Causing more melting of icecaps and therefore less reflection of light and more heat which is in turn absorded by the oceans, etc etc.
But there's plenty of info out there if you really want to know(which I know you don't Wink

)

0.004% carbon in the atmosphere traps that much heat inside to melt polar ice caps?

so what happened during the ice age when everything was reflected?

and when ice started to melt (with no humans was around) how did it heat up again?

if your reflection theory is true the Earth wouldn't heat up after the first ice age - no humans and no heat from the sun

The global warmists cling to the Arctic melting, but how do they explain the Antartic growing in size?

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Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming
Reply #14 - May 31^st, 2011 at 8:42pm

Maqqa wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 8:28pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 8:21pm:

From memory(and no I'm not going searching) the CO2 in the atmosphere traps the reflected heat from the earth and prevents it from escaping back into space.
Causing more melting of icecaps and therefore less reflection of light and more heat which is in turn absorded by the oceans, etc etc.
But there's plenty of info out there if you really want to know(which I know you don't Wink

)

0.004% carbon in the atmosphere traps that much heat inside to melt polar ice caps?

so what happened during the ice age when everything was reflected?

and when ice started to melt (with no humans was around) how did it heat up again?

if your reflection theory is true the Earth wouldn't heat up after the first ice age - no humans and no heat from the sun

I'm not playing your game Maqqa, I have a little dig every now and then but that's it.
You choose not to believe(for want of a better word)I choose to back the scienists.
My closing argument as always is even if the science is wrong how is changing from a finite reasouce & polluting economy and energy production to clean renewable one a bad thing?
I am yet to get an answer.

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