perceptions_now wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 12:05am:


Record keeping goes back to 1900 only, not the hundreds of years that the soothsayers would have us believe.
And surely it would have been more constructive had those intrepid record keepers have taken into account the blizzard conditions in Northern Europe thoughout the last decade rather than leaving them out of the calculations which makes up the 'average' temperatures.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:09pm:


It's good to see you agree, Gizmo, that "the Greenhouse Effect is real".

So, in the spirit of co-operation, I will agree that "Climate Change has been around for Billions of years, long before humans arrived".

I will also agree that, "humans did not cause/originate Climate Change, nor the Greenhouse Effect".

However, humans have impacted the Environment of this planet, of that there is no doubt, the only arguement is how much & what are the likely effects on current & future generations of Humans & other species?

What these and the majority of scientists are saying, is that the human impact on this planets delicate Environment, is just sufficient enough (over time) to tip the natural balance away from what would have happened, but for our impact.

In doing so, our nudge has been like many humans, who eat & drink many things, which are ok in moderation, but many of us consume too much of these things that are normally ok and the end result is many of us become obese or acquire other diseases, such as Diabetes.

The end result is the quality of many peoples lives is not what it should be and many will die a premature death! And that's not even counting gravity?

So, what I'm doing is giving people the facts, so they can make up their minds, whether they want to continue business as usual and lose the quality of their life & of future generations AND die prematurely OR do they want to take proper mitigation measures, to try to stop what will happen to Humans, if the Climate Changes in the directions that we are nudging it to?

In other words Climate Change has some similarities to Obesity, in that it takes a long time to build up and while that is happening few recognise what is happening.

Then, one day, we wake up a realise we are fat and take action OR we don't realise & we don't wake up, we just die?

Is that what you want, for us & our children?       

Earth facing a mini-Ice Age 'within ten years' due to rare drop in sunspot activity

Mr Hill and his colleagues wouldn't discuss the effects of a quiet sun on temperature or global warming.

'If our predictions are true, we'll have a wonderful experiment that will determine whether the sun has any effect on global warming,' he said.
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If they will not discuss it, then doesnt that do the normal AGW thing of any outcome remain climate change. They are leaving the door open to give us the details of their predictions after the event and say, see we were right. lol sad.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2003824/Earth-facing-mini-Ice-Age...

The effects of whatever is done now on climate change will not be seen in this lifetime.

So we get all the costs and no benefits?

Awesome

Soren wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:19pm:



So, your solution to a once in history catch 22 of monumental proportions is, bomb the indonesian abattoirs?

skippy. wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 2:38pm:


And also no proof that what we do will have ANY affect whatsoever...

So we may be crippling the economic future of our children and grandchildren to 'provide a viable future' that would have existed anyway...

Hello Perceptions I seek some real truth ? if you dont believe a Carbon tax will fix this Climate changing by mankind through us, YOU THINK THERE IS A BETTER SOLUTION IF YOU BELIEVE IN THIS CLIMATE CHANGING HOAX AS I SEE IT ??

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