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What's the Real truth?
Jun 1^st, 2011 at 10:23pm

About the OZ Economy & Climate Change?

Well, for starters, the real truth is not something that diehard Liberal or Labor supporters, PR SPIN MASTERS or Politicians, have any remote interest in!

That said, the truth is that the Global Climate is changing, that change is materially affected by human input, as the majority of world scientists agree and the leading edge of that Climate Change is already starting to impact the Australian & Global Economy, via events such as Floods (in OZ & elsewhere), severe hurricanes/cyclones, droughts/heatwaves & more!

However, Climate Change is not the only thing different, there is actually a paradigm change in progress, where a number of factors are coming together, at around the same time, the overall effect of those factors, on the OZ & Global Economy, are adverse and that trend is only just commencing!

The effects of this human induced Climate Change is set to get worse, possibly much worse, before there is any chance of avoiding the worst case scenario's and given human nature, as is displayed on these boards, we may not avoid those worst case scenario's?

The other factors involved, in addition to Climate Change are -
1) Demographics - The Baby Boomer Bust.
2) Peak Energy (primarily Oil).
3) Massive Global Debt overload.

However, just to start the ball rolling, I repeat again, as I have on numerous other ocassions, the crucial Climate Change questions are -

Forget everything else about who is correct & who is not, about this ideology or that one.

The crucial question is what will be the cost to us and our children, in the longer term
, if we take the Peak Oil line, we are wrong again and we do not take whatever actions are possible to mitigate the worst effects of the GHG/Climate Change problem?

In other words, what are the relative costs to humanity, of doing something or doing nothing (continuing business as usual)?

Put simply, the crucial questions are very straight forward -
1) What are the likely costs, benefits & losses involved, IF humanity were to proceed on MY scenario that Climate Change is a reality and it turned out that my Climate Change scenario was -
a) Correct!
b) Incorrect!

2) What are the likely costs, benefits & losses involved, IF humanity were to proceed on the scenario that Climate Change is NOT a reality and it turned out that Climate Change scenario was -
a) Correct!
b) Incorrect!

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Re: What's the Real truth?
Reply #1 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 11:01pm

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The moral of the story is, spend a little extra, mitigate against the likely risks, but have a back up plan and you can live happily ever after and avoid the Big Bad Climate Change Wolf!

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LIKELY, LIKELY ?

WHAT ???

YOU SOUND AS THOUGH YOUR NOT 100% CERTAIN OF THE WHOLE CLIMATE CHANGE/GLOBAL WARMING ARGUEMENT YOURSELF, PERCEPTIONS

SO YOUR HAPPY TO SEE TAXPAYERS MONEY SUCKED IN THE WIND OVER SOMETHING THAT MAY LIKELY BE TO YOU ???

I never realised how stupid one HAS TO BE have to be to swallow that crap.
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How does a leftie find himself or herself BELIEVEING IN ALL THAT CRAP THATS BEING SHOVED AT US IN A VERY ORWELLIAN WAY. ???

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Reply #2 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 11:07pm

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the real truth is not something that diehard Liberal or Labor supporters, PR SPIN MASTERS or Politicians, have any remote interest in!

Oh yes PERCEPTION NOW IS GOING OFF ABOUT POLITICAL SPIN AND AT THE SAME TIME, DOESNT QUESTION THE WHOLE SPIN BROUGHT ABOUT BY SCIENTISTS, POLITICIANS AND MEDIA THAT A CARBON TAX, IS SOMEHOW GOING TO SAVE THE PLANET FROM THIS MYTHICAL CLIMATIC DOOM.

MIND YOU A TAX, ACCEPTS THE SPIN, LINE HOOK AND SINK. Grin

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: What's the Real truth? Reply #3 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 11:11pm perceptions_now Pleeeeaaase. Scaremonger out of its box.
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Re: What's the Real truth?
Reply #4 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 11:13pm

stryder wrote on Jun 1^st, 2011 at 11:01pm:

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The moral of the story is, spend a little extra, mitigate against the likely risks, but have a back up plan and you can live happily ever after and avoid the Big Bad Climate Change Wolf!

by Perceptions Now

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LIKELY, LIKELY ?

WHAT ???

YOU SOUND AS THOUGH YOUR NOT 100% CERTAIN OF THE WHOLE CLIMATE CHANGE/GLOBAL WARMING ARGUEMENT YOURSELF, PERCEPTIONS

SO YOUR HAPPY TO SEE TAXPAYERS MONEY SUCKED IN THE WIND OVER SOMETHING THAT MAY LIKELY BE TO YOU ???

I never realised how stupid one HAS TO BE have to be to swallow that crap.
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How does a leftie find himself or herself BELIEVEING IN ALL THAT CRAP THATS BEING SHOVED AT US IN A VERY ORWELLIAN WAY. ???

I don't know!

Go find one & find out?

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Reply #5 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 11:14pm

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Forget everything else about who is correct & who is not, about this ideology or that one.

The crucial question is what will be the cost to us and our children, in the longer term, if we take the Peak Oil line, we are wrong again and we do not take whatever actions are possible to mitigate the worst effects of the GHG/Climate Change problem?

THIS IS FUNNY, OH FORGET ABOUT WHO IS CORRECT OR NOT,

JUST BELIEVE IN MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE, JUST ACCEPT WHAT BIG BROTHER SAYS ON CLIMATE CHANGE AND THE CARBON TAX JUST DONT QUESTION IT

Perceptions Now, you dont make a compelling case AT ALL,

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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: What's the Real truth? Reply #6 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 11:14pm The truth and the only issue is that the world leaders are corrupt lying war mongering scum who must be disobeyed and who need to be driven from power, that is all.
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Reply #7 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 11:16pm

stryder wrote on Jun 1^st, 2011 at 11:07pm:

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the real truth is not something that diehard Liberal or Labor supporters, PR SPIN MASTERS or Politicians, have any remote interest in!

Oh yes PERCEPTION NOW IS GOING OFF ABOUT POLITICAL SPIN AND AT THE SAME TIME, DOESNT QUESTION THE WHOLE SPIN BROUGHT ABOUT BY SCIENTISTS, POLITICIANS AND MEDIA THAT A CARBON TAX, IS SOMEHOW GOING TO SAVE THE PLANET FROM THIS MYTHICAL CLIMATIC DOOM.

MIND YOU A TAX, ACCEPTS THE SPIN, LINE HOOK AND SINK. Grin

As usual, you & your ilk do not address the crucial questions, because the answers are not pretty!

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Reply #8 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 11:18pm

stryder wrote on Jun 1^st, 2011 at 11:14pm:

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Forget everything else about who is correct & who is not, about this ideology or that one.

The crucial question is what will be the cost to us and our children, in the longer term, if we take the Peak Oil line, we are wrong again and we do not take whatever actions are possible to mitigate the worst effects of the GHG/Climate Change problem?

THIS IS FUNNY, OH FORGET ABOUT WHO IS CORRECT OR NOT,

JUST BELIEVE IN MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE, JUST ACCEPT WHAT BIG BROTHER SAYS ON CLIMATE CHANGE AND THE CARBON TAX JUST DONT QUESTION IT

Perceptions Now, you dont make a compelling case AT ALL,

Believe it or not, what are the answers -
Put simply, the crucial questions are very straight forward -
1) What are the likely costs, benefits & losses involved, IF humanity were to proceed on MY scenario that Climate Change is a reality and it turned out that my Climate Change scenario was -
a) Correct!
b) Incorrect!

2) What are the likely costs, benefits & losses involved, IF humanity were to proceed on the scenario that Climate Change is NOT a reality and it turned out that Climate Change scenario was -
a) Correct!
b) Incorrect!

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Re: What's the Real truth?
Reply #9 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 11:25pm

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What are the likely costs, benefits & losses involved, IF humanity were to proceed on MY scenario that Climate Change is a reality and it turned out that my Climate Change scenario was -

OH SO PERCEPTIONS FINDS IT PREFERABLE THAT TAXPAYERS DOLLARS SHOULD GO UP IN THE WIND EVEN IF THERE IS NO CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE WHICH THERE ISNT ANY OF MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE

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stryder Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4545 Gender:	Re: What's the Real truth? Reply #10 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 11:32pm Those questions DONT MAKE YOUR ARGUMENT ANYMORE COMPELLING, ITS JUST YOUR SILLY SCAREMONGERING, THATS ALL LEFTIES LIKE YOU PERCEPTIONS HAVE, Scare, frighten, spook, alarm people into submission. ITS A LITTLE WONDER THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY IN THIS DEBATE WHEN ALL YOU CAN DO IS JUST SCAREMONGER.
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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Re: What's the Real truth? Reply #11 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 11:33pm Do any of you buy a lottery or other prize ticket, in the hope that you might win the big one? Funny, given that your chance of winning such a major prize is so small, relative to the chance of you and your descendants experiencing the volaility and dangers of climate change...
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stryder Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4545 Gender:	Re: What's the Real truth? Reply #12 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 11:40pm Quote: Funny, given that your chance of winning such a major prize is so small, relative to the chance of you and your descendants experiencing the volaility and dangers of climate change... OH YES EQUITIST, JUMP IN AND KEEP SPINNING THE CRAP THAT THE PLANET IS IN DOOM IF WE DO NOT ACCEPT THIS NEW TAX
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Re: What's the Real truth?
Reply #13 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 11:44pm

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Forget everything else about who is correct & who is not, about this ideology or that one.

The crucial question is what will be the cost to us and our children, in the longer term, if we take the Peak Oil line, we are wrong again and we do not take whatever actions are possible to mitigate the worst effects of the GHG/Climate Change problem?

Forget who is right or wrong

What if the existance of the human race depended on us going full steam ahead inventing options for asteroid manuevering and ice age survival, heat wave survival, planet exploration ect.

Cant do that while breaking the economic system and making fuels expensive.

What if what if. What are the costs to our children.

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Reply #14 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 11:52pm

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What if what if. What are the costs to our children.

You see the Climate Change nazis CANT WIN THE CARBON TAX DEBATE BECAUSE AFTER MONTHS OF PROPAGANDA USING DUBIOUS AND VAGUE SCIENCE, THE MAJORITY OF THE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE STILL DONT WANT THE CARBON TAX

So what do they do, use the last resort and scaremonger people into submission which looks like it will never work,

THANK GOD, PEOPLE ARE MORE INTELIGIENT THAN THESE CLIMATE CHANGE NAZIS.

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