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Reply #210 - Jul 29th, 2011 at 1:34pm
 
Anyone wondering why the All Ords has taken another turn South this morning?

It could be because the Labor Carbon Tax will decimate the Australian business sector, BUT probably NOT!

Or, it could be because Labor will make up ground in opinion polls and may will the next election, BUT probably NOT!


NO, it's just the usual Aussie share market reaction, to movement in the US markets.

The DOW Futures markets started dropping again, a couple of hours ago and is now DOWn about 100 points and the OZ All Ords dropped about 40 points over the same timeline!

The Truth is, that the OZ markets are still heavily linked to what's happening in the USA and unless an agreement is announced in the US before the end of their Friday trading, in respect of the US Debt limit, then I suspect nerves may get the better of many players, as they bail out, prior to being rxposed this weekend!

So, NO AGREEMENT on the US DEBT LIMIT, may well mean heavy losses on the DOW today, followed in OZ on Monday?  
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Reply #211 - Jul 29th, 2011 at 1:48pm
 
O))) wrote on Jul 29th, 2011 at 11:28am:
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 19th, 2011 at 9:33am:
Greenhouse gas theory of global warming is refuted in momentous Mexican lab experiment


Did you read the experiment? Did you understand what it is saying? I think not...

This in no way refutes the greenhouse effect. What the experiment shows is that an actual greenhouse works by preventing convective heat transfer ie: preventing absorbed heat from escaping. The greenhouse effect on the atmosphere works in a fundamentally different way. Greenhouse gasses absorb outgoing radiative energy and re-emit some of that energy back toward Earth, rather than retaining heat by preventing the movement of air.

So yes, it is relevant for how an actual greenhouse heats up, but it does not refute the greenhouse effect in any way. I don't know how they came to that conclusion unless they either (a) didn't read the document or (b) didn't understand it.

Makes me very skeptical about that 'climaterealists' website. That was an incredibly misleading article that does nothing to lend them credibility.


Anything to say, Proglulz??? Roll Eyes
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So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&
 
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Reply #212 - Jul 29th, 2011 at 1:50pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 27th, 2011 at 11:08pm:


What exactly do you think that proves, proglulz? Go on, please explain...
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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11th, 2011 at 11:23am:
So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&
 
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Reply #213 - Jul 30th, 2011 at 8:06pm
 
Default fears worsen as US Senate blocks debt-ceiling bill


The Democrat-controlled US Senate has blocked a Republican debt-ceiling bill, just two hours after it was narrowly passed in the House of Representatives.

Congress was earlier warned that it was "playing with fire" and President Barack Obama appealed for a compromise as the Tuesday deadline for a resolution of the debt crisis talks loomed ever closer.

The Senate is now instead debating a Democrat plan to avoid a US government default, a spectre that has created fears of a fresh world recession. The Treasury department says that the US will default on its financial obligations on Tuesday if agreement is not reached on raising the debt ceiling.

Late on Friday night the Republican-controlled House had passed a bill, which would have lifted the borrowing ceiling only temporarily, by just eight votes. Democrats had opposed it as unacceptable and "extremist" - while conservatives influenced by the Tea party argued that it did not go far enough.

John Boehner, the Republican Speaker of the House, gave an impassioned appeal to his colleagues in the House to approve his plan, slamming his fist on the podium several times.

"I stuck my neck out a mile to get an agreement with the president of the United States," he said, referring to failed negotiations with Mr Obama earlier this month

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I would still suggest it's likely that a last minute "solution" will get up?

However, even if that did happen, it would not solve the underlying issues.

But. if miscalculations are made and it doesn't happen, then next week may be very eventful!
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Reply #214 - Jul 30th, 2011 at 10:06pm
 
Default or Not, Beware the Market


In a nutshell: The sharks on Wall St have basically eaten the E-traders alive and they are now starting to feast on each other. As a result, some of the best investors in the world are now hanging up the gloves. George Soros decided to walk away this week. His fund was down around 6% for the year and was only up 2% last year.

They realize that the glory days of 1980-2007 are far behind us now. The smartest guys in the room have basically come to the realization that there really is no sound fundamental strategy for making money on Wall St these days.

The way I see it, at the end of the day Congress will come up with some ridiculous deficit reduction bill that will allow us to continue this madness. It may happen after August 2nd but I believe it's going to get done. Don't be fooled into thinking it won't.

The only way I don't see it happening is because the idiots running the asylum in DC are starting to realize the only way to get something substantial done is to create a crisis like a debt downgrade. This would then give them the political cover to make the painful cuts that are needed to get the ratings agencies off our backs.

I don't see us going down that road. I fully expect a giant can kicking piece of crap bill that solves nothing. I then expect to see the ratings agencies downgrade the US in a matter of months. I suspect it won't be immediate because they are meeting with the S&P clowns on a daily basis.

The bottom line here folks is stay in cash and play small ball. I am extremely hedged here because this thing could swing in a variety of ways.

For the most part I would advise staying out of this mess. There are sharks everywhere and the government is desperate to keep the game going. I expect a large stock rally on any substantial debt agreement. I expect a lesser rally if we pass some BS deficit reduction bill that does nothing (which is what I expect).

If nothing gets done, the market is going to flat out free fall. I still believe we will be lower by the end of the year because we don't fix problems anymore in this world. We only delay them which only makes them worse.

I fully expect this house of cards to eventually come tumbling down. However, I remain convinced that we don't see this until the PIIGS of Europe have been butchered and cooked into pieces of ham and bacon.

Good luck out there.

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Reply #215 - Jul 30th, 2011 at 10:25pm
 
Deal or No Deal, Our AAA Rating Is Toast


It’s been a hot summer, and it’s been even hotter in Washington, D.C., where Democrats and Republicans have been burning down the House with a pitched battle over the debt ceiling, the cap that Congress puts on the national debt.

Usually it’s a mundane bit of legislative business barely worthy of C-Span. Congress hikes spending, and then authorizes an increase in the debt ceiling to pay for it. It’s happened 78 times since 1960. But this year it will likely cause the US’s prized AAA credit rating to go up in smoke.

If that doesn’t happen by August 2, President Obama and many others have warned the government won’t be able to meet all its obligations, including interest payments on the debt, military pay, Social Security checks, what have you. If we can’t, it could mean a default by the US government, just like Argentina and Mexico did in days of yore.

I’ll save who I think is primarily responsible for this mess for my political blog, but I will say this: You can kiss the AAA rating of US Treasury debt goodbye.

If a miracle happens, we may be able to forestall it for a while. But without a huge turnaround in Washington’s broken political culture, I don’t think this Congress and president will enact the dramatic changes S&P has strongly suggested are necessary for us to stay in the elite club of AAA-rated sovereigns.

They include Australia, Austria, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, Singapore, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom.


Losing the AAA would probably hurt the economy through higher borrowing costs for the government, corporations, and consumers, especially those who have adjustable-rate debt, and we’d likely see a stock market decline.

It gives me no joy but considerable sadness to reluctantly agree with Barry Knapp, head US-equity strategist at Barclays Capital, that a downgrading of the US’s credit rating is inevitable.

As the great Bob Dylan wrote, you don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. So long, AAA, it’s been good to know you.

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The Truth is, there is no way that either the USA or the UK should still be AAA rated!

That said, it is of interest to note that aside from Australia still being on that short list of AAA rated countries, that the following European countries are also still on that AAA list -
Austria
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Netherlands
Norway
Sweden
Switzerland




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Reply #216 - Jul 30th, 2011 at 10:29pm
 
astro_surf wrote on Jul 29th, 2011 at 1:48pm:
Anything to say, Proglulz??? Roll Eyes


Thats a "no" then is it, Progz?  Roll Eyes
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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11th, 2011 at 11:23am:
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Reply #217 - Jul 30th, 2011 at 10:31pm
 
Great Britain: The Expansionary Austerity Canary in the Economic Coal Mine


When it comes to Expansionary Austerity, the UK has had a full year head start over the US, having implemented a series of cuts advertised to produce fiscal order, which will then produce a robust economy and jobs growth. So, it seems quite logical to look at how that's going in the real economy and, more importantly for investors, how the market perceive the situation.

From a real economy perspective, the most recent data from the St. Louis Fed shows quite clearly that the "cut to grow" philosophy at the heart of Expansionary Austerity has yet to deliver as promised. Half of the indicators tracked (industrial production, real retail sales, real compensation, real private final consumption expenditures, and real gross fixed capital formation) are all headed in the wrong direction (down), with the other half not exactly exuding the robust economy and jobs growth advocated for.


From a markets perspective, as the accompanying chart shows, the picture is fine - for now. If, however, price crosses to the downside and the two key moving averages (50 and 200) head in the same southerly direction, it will be hard for the bulls to draw any conclusion other than a bear market has begun.

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The conservative government in the UK adopted its version of Expansionary Austerity a year ago. Therefore, investors would be well served to consider it a test case (both economically and in the markets) for what the US may experience. Based on the record thus far and considering the global macro implications that the much larger US economy is likely to have the global economy, the prospects do not look encouraging.

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The Truth is, that AUS-terity actually did work, once upon a time, BUT now it is absolutely the wrong thing, at the wrong time!
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Reply #218 - Jul 30th, 2011 at 10:50pm
 
UK consumers frugal, wary of future


LONDON, July 29 (Reuters) - Britons remain reluctant to borrow and consumer confidence fell back in July towards an earlier two-year low, data showed on Friday, fuelling concerns that weak consumer spending will continue to hamper a fragile economic recovery.

The Bank of England said total lending to individuals rose by 0.4 billion pounds last month, compared to a 1.4 billion pound growth in May, as net mortgage lending fell by 0.1 billion pounds, confounding forecasts of a 1 billion pound rise.

Consumer credit increased by 0.4 billion pounds, slightly above economists' expectations.

"We think that this pick-up reflects the strains on consumers' finances rather than their confidence about the future," said Samuel Tombs, economist at Capital Economics.

The GfK NOP consumer confidence index dropped five points to -30, almost matching the two-year low of -31 hit in April, as the one-off boost from the festivities and the extra holiday for Britain's royal wedding faded. Economists had only expected a dip to -27.

MONEY SUPPLY

Retail sales fell at the fastest rate for a year in July, according to a survey published earlier this week by the Confederation of British Industry, and a number of British retailers, including fashion chain Jane Norman and retailer of alcoholic drinks Oddbins, have fallen into administration in recent months.

Britain's economy barely grew between April and June and business surveys have indicated manufacturers are facing a slowdown, banks are keeping credit tight as they repair their balance sheets and consumers are suffering the worst squeeze in income for 30 years on the back of soaring food and fuel prices, higher taxes and slow wage increases.

"Consumer desire to get a tighter grip on their finances ... is the consequence of an uncertain and somewhat worrying longer-term outlook for the economy and jobs, as the major fiscal squeeze increasingly kicks in," said Howard Archer, economist at IHS Global Insight.

On a more positive note, mortgage approvals numbered 48,421 in June, according to the BoE, up from 46,418 in May and the highest number since May 2010.

House prices also nudged up in July, according to mortgage lender Nationwide, although demand for homes remained sluggish.

"We doubt that the rise in the number of mortgage approvals in June marks the start of an upward trend in housing market activity," Tombs said. "The bigger picture is that approvals have barely moved in recent months."

Mortgage approvals are still running at half their long-term average, providing little hope that the housing market will pick up soon and boost the faltering economy.

The BoE's preferred gauge of money supply, M4 excluding intermediate and other financial corporations, fell 0.1 percent on the month after a 0.4 percent rise in May.

"The money supply data reflects concerns about consumer deleveraging. Quantitative easing was designed to boost monetary aggregates growth, and 15 months after the end of it money supply is contracting again," said Peter Dixon, economist at Commerzbank.

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As a comparison, both UK & OZ Consumers are wary of spending, both have Energy & Energy related Products hurting Disposable income and the UK actually has a higher inflation rate, which has been above 4% for all of 2011, whereas the OZ headline rate has just peeked above 3% for the first time.
http://www.rateinflation.com/inflation-rate/uk-historical-inflation-rate.php?form=ukir

Interestingly (pun intended), it is Australia where persistent noises are still heard about increasing interest rates, whereas the BOE chairman has made it clear that is not on the cards in the UK.  

The Truth is, any interest rate increase in the UK &/or OZ, in the near term, would have really adcerse outcomes!
 
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Reply #219 - Jul 30th, 2011 at 11:13pm
 
astro_surf wrote on Jul 30th, 2011 at 10:29pm:
astro_surf wrote on Jul 29th, 2011 at 1:48pm:
Anything to say, Proglulz??? Roll Eyes


Thats a "no" then is it, Progz?  Roll Eyes

After your episode this week, get stuffed. I dont answer to you just like you dont answer to me.
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Reply #220 - Aug 2nd, 2011 at 12:18am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 2nd, 2011 at 12:04am:
There is a tussle going on!

US DOW futures were up nearly 200 points, when news was breaking that the Debt limit problem would be overcome.


When the DOW first opened, it was soon up over 130 points, but it has since struggled to maintain that early surge and has dropped away to be down 23, at 12,120 and falling quickly.
http://au.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^DJI

Looks like another long session ahead?


Looks like something may not be going quite according to plan?

The DOW dropped 135 points in 7 minutes, down to 12,055, before recovering some ground since, to now be at 12,110, down 33.
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Reply #221 - Aug 4th, 2011 at 1:27pm
 
Who Killed Economic Growth?




Not as good a showman as Monckton, but Richard Heinberg has got that FACTS about correct!
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Reply #222 - Aug 5th, 2011 at 8:42am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 4th, 2011 at 11:56pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 2nd, 2011 at 12:04am:
There is a tussle going on!

US DOW futures were up nearly 200 points, when news was breaking that the Debt limit problem would be overcome.


When the DOW first opened, it was soon up over 130 points, but it has since struggled to maintain that early surge and has dropped away to be down 23, at 12,120 and falling quickly.
http://au.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^DJI

Looks like another long session ahead?


Looks like another long session ahead?

When the DOW first opened, it was already down over 100 points & it's now down 170!


U.S. Stocks Plunge in Biggest Retreat Since 2009


A global rout in equities drove the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index to its worst slump since February 2009, while two-year Treasury yields plunged to a record low amid concern the economy is weakening.

The S&P 500 tumbled 4.8 percent to 1,200.07 at 4 p.m. in New York. It has dropped 11 percent since July 22, the biggest loss over the same amount of time since March 2009.

Concern the global economy may relapse into a recession has driven investors out of stocks and into the relative safety of Treasuries, the Swiss franc and yen and is spurring speculation the Federal Reserve will start another stimulus program. The European Central Bank resumed bond purchases and offered banks more cash to stem the spread of the debt crisis.

‘Gloomy’
“The mood right now is gloomy,” Mike Ryan, the New York- based chief investment strategist at UBS Wealth Management Americas, said in a telephone interview. His firm oversees $774 billion. “The burden of proof is for better data that show the economy is not falling into recession. Tomorrow’s payroll report is crucial. If we see another disappointment, the stock market will have significant downside from here.”

Commerce Department data tomorrow may show U.S. employers added 85,000 jobs in July, according to the median economist estimate in a Bloomberg survey. In June, they added 18,000.


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Well, things weren't looking all that good last night and the DOW had just hit 200 points down, just before I finished for the night.

But, with the DOW down 512 points on the close at 11,384, it is safe to say that the situation deteriorated considerably, with a fall of 4.31% for the days trading, which puts the DOW into negative for this calendar year, having started at 11,578 on January 1st, 2011!

All major European bourses were also down significantly -
FTSE 100 INDEX      5,393.14      -191.37      -3.43%      
CAC 40 INDEX          3,320.35      -134.59      -3.90%      
DAX INDEX               6,414.76      -225.83      -3.40%

And, with the European bourses closes hours before the US and the US continued to fall during those hours, it is safe to say that Europe will fall again, at their next session, unless a significant event intervenes.

It is also safe to say that Australian & Asian bourses will also have signifcant falls today, with Australian SPI200 Futures showing the way, currently down 157 & the Nikkei 225 Futures down 250.        

The OZ$ was also significantly impacted, declining to 1.0454, after starting the day at 1.0769, which is actually perverse, given the US bearing on these adverse Economic outcomes.


Btw, given US Population growth figures, their job figures really need to add around 150,000 per month, to tread water, so anything less is sending the Economy backward!


The Truth is, the jig is up!


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Reply #223 - Aug 5th, 2011 at 9:06am
 
Good video perce. Two things I got from that.

1. No more cheap coal and oil.

2. There is NO recovery.

I'm pretty sure that in the very near future we will drift back toward small self-sufficient communities.

Oh well! at least we'll get to meet the neighbours.

How many tomatoes do you want for that scrawny chook? We will be a healthier and happier crowd. Bring it on!!!!

Time for change!

There is NO recovery.
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Reply #224 - Aug 5th, 2011 at 9:07am
 
This is not a good week.

The net book value of A Hicks Inc has taken a considerable whack, I am worth well over $10k less now than I was on monday.

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