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Re: What's the Real truth?
Reply #240 - Aug 5th, 2011 at 10:03am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 5th, 2011 at 10:00am:
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 5th, 2011 at 9:59am:
NASA, nothing to worry about.



Don't forget to post on every other thread too! People may miss it.

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Oh noes. It is the newb clown stalker.
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Reply #241 - Aug 5th, 2011 at 10:04am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 5th, 2011 at 10:03am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 5th, 2011 at 10:00am:
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 5th, 2011 at 9:59am:
NASA, nothing to worry about.



Don't forget to post on every other thread too! People may miss it.

Grin

Oh noes. It is the newb clown stalker.


Nice to see you copy other's expressions.  I never thought I'd see the day a conservative nutjob maniac progressed...
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Reply #242 - Aug 5th, 2011 at 10:09am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 5th, 2011 at 10:04am:
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 5th, 2011 at 10:03am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 5th, 2011 at 10:00am:
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 5th, 2011 at 9:59am:
NASA, nothing to worry about.



Don't forget to post on every other thread too! People may miss it.

Grin

Oh noes. It is the newb clown stalker.


Nice to see you copy other's expressions.  I never thought I'd see the day a conservative nutjob maniac progressed...

Can someone point me to where I can get a virtual anti-stalking AVO or something. This clown keeps stalking me and says some pretty stupid stuff. Might possibly be a psycho.

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Reply #243 - Aug 5th, 2011 at 10:14am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 5th, 2011 at 10:09am:
Can someone point me to where I can get a virtual anti-stalking AVO or something. This clown keeps stalking me and says some pretty stupid stuff. Might possibly be a psycho.



And lookie, you even use new media!!  I'm so proud Smiley  Now we just need to get you a toothbrush rather than that old tree twig you keep using still.
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Reply #244 - Aug 5th, 2011 at 10:33am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 5th, 2011 at 10:01am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 5th, 2011 at 9:55am:
skippy. wrote on Aug 5th, 2011 at 9:11am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 5th, 2011 at 9:07am:
This is not a good week.

The net book value of A Hicks Inc has taken a considerable whack, I am worth well over $10k less now than I was on monday.


Its only just begun, 10 grand is nothing, if that's a considerable hit you cant be worth much.



If losing $10k in 3 days is nothing to you, then lucky you.
That's 2 months of my mortgage.

I am not sure I can afford too many $10k losses every week....



It's not a matter of affordability, the growth fairy is DEAD, no more bailouts lol....and I mean lol at the exponential growth fairy pundits.



Laughing at the misfortune of others and economic woes of people across the world is not a good look.
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Reply #245 - Aug 5th, 2011 at 10:36am
 
Laughing at the misfortune of others and economic woes of people across the world is not a good look.

   

I bet Andrei wrote that with a straight face. Grin
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Reply #246 - Aug 5th, 2011 at 10:45am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 5th, 2011 at 10:01am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 5th, 2011 at 9:55am:
skippy. wrote on Aug 5th, 2011 at 9:11am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 5th, 2011 at 9:07am:
This is not a good week.

The net book value of A Hicks Inc has taken a considerable whack, I am worth well over $10k less now than I was on monday.


Its only just begun, 10 grand is nothing, if that's a considerable hit you cant be worth much.



If losing $10k in 3 days is nothing to you, then lucky you.
That's 2 months of my mortgage.

I am not sure I can afford too many $10k losses every week....



It's not a matter of affordability, the growth fairy is DEAD, no more bailouts lol....and I mean lol at the exponential growth fairy pundits.


All of which goes to prove that the laws of nature DO apply to human Economics!

What goes up, also comes down!


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The Truth is, this is just a giant bubble, albeit the biggest one in history, including Population levels, Energy Supply & Debt Levels.

Never-the-less it is still a bubble and as such, it will do what bubbles do, it will eventually burst and return to its original levels, over time!

Btw, the All Ords is currently down 179 and if you check out the 5 day chart on Yahoo, you can get the Wile. E Coyote perspective, as the All Ords goes over the cliff?
http://au.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=^AORD#symbol=^aord;range=5d;compare=;indic...


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Reply #247 - Aug 5th, 2011 at 11:58am
 
skippy. wrote on Aug 5th, 2011 at 10:36am:
Laughing at the misfortune of others and economic woes of people across the world is not a good look.

   

I bet Andrei wrote that with a straight face. Grin



Sure did.


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Reply #248 - Aug 5th, 2011 at 2:12pm
 
Market loses $54b on recession fears


UPDATE 10.45am: The Australian sharemarket was still down nearly 4 per cent mid-morning after big falls on world markets overnight prompted by fears of another global recession.

By 10.45am, the benchmark S&P/ASX200 index was still down a massive 160.6 points, or 3.8 per cent, at 4119.5 while the broader All Ordinaries index had lost 175.5 points, or 4 per cent, to 4177.4.

The S&P/ASX200 index had been off as much as 4.42 per cent in earlier trade.

No stocks were spared the wrath of panicked investors, with selling across all sectors.

CMC Markets analyst Ben Le Brun said the market was being savaged on fears the US economy was sliding towards recession, while Europe's debt problems were intensifying.

“Everything that's leveraged to the global growth scenario is getting absolutely pummelled,” Mr Le Brun said.

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http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/9978712/market-loses-54b-on-recession-fe...
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This means that since its recent market Peak in April, Australia Shares in the All Ords have lost about $250 Billion, which is roughly equivalent to 20% of the Total Australian annual GDP!  
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Reply #249 - Aug 5th, 2011 at 7:32pm
 
Bottoms rarely look like Thursday’s rout


CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (MarketWatch) — Market declines rarely end with days like Thursday’s 513-point drop for the Dow.

So even if you think that we’re just suffering a mere correction within an ongoing bull market, you still should be prepared for lower prices in coming sessions.

That at least is the conclusion that emerged from my analysis of past bear market bottoms. The days on which those bear markets actually registered their final lows typically were rather uneventful — nothing like what we saw on Thursday.

Consider March 9, 2009, the day of the closing low of the 2007-2009 bear market, arguably the worst one since the Great Depression. Even though there were many days during that bear market that witnessed panic selling, the day of the final low experienced a drop of just 79.89 points.

It was more than three months earlier than then that the Dow Jones Industrial Average DJIA -4.31%   experienced a panic-induced decline that was as bad as Thursday’s. That day was Nov. 20, 2008, the day when — not coincidentally — the CBOE’s Volatility Index VIX +35.41%   spiked to its all-time closing high near 81.

Many traders made the same mistake then that I fear that is being made today: Thinking that panic selling signals a low. They were three-and-a-half months early.

Or consider the Crash of 1987, which is the grandaddy of selling panics in U.S. stock market history. On that day, Oct. 19, the Dow dropped 22.6%. And even though the Dow bounced back impressively over the two trading sessions following that Crash — gaining 5.9% on Oct. 20 and another 10.1% on Oct. 21 — the stock market’s post-Crash low wasn’t registered until Dec. 4, more than six weeks later.

Chances are that the final low of the decline we’re experiencing will not be recognized as such until well after the fact. It’s most unlikely that, on that day itself, so many traders will be doing what they did on Thursday — falling over themselves announcing that the bottom has been seen.

An old Wall Street saying has it that they don’t “ring a bell” at market bottoms. It would appear that this saying contains a lot of wisdom.

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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bottoms-rarely-look-like-thursdays-rout-2011-08...
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The Truth is, there is quite a bit more downside, to this slowdown!

If you want some perspective, look at the following Yahoo site and click onto Max under the DOW chart.
http://au.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=^DJI#symbol=^DJI;range=my

Then look at the Peak in 1929 and then see how long it took to regain that level - it  was 1954, THAT'S 25 YEARS.

The Peak of the DOW was just over 14,000, it will never regain that level!
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Reply #250 - Aug 6th, 2011 at 12:05pm
 
The supposed reason for the massive 400 point turnaround in the DOW last night was their GOOD Employment/Enemployment result, where the US put on 117,000 jobs and reduced Unemployment from 9.2 to 9.1.

The Truth is, there are 2 significant Demographic factors which should also be taken into consideration when viewing US Empolyment, Unemployment & Economic impact.

Population Growth
The US Population is growing at around 1% annually, which should increase the Employment (or at least employable) pool by 3 million annually or 250,000 per month, which would/should equate to an additional 150,000 real & additional jobs each month, if we use a standard 60% participation rate?

Retirements (Baby Boomers)
Since January 1st this year, the Baby Boomer generation have officially reached retirement age. No doubt there are Boomers who have already been doing so unofficially, but starting on January 1st there are 80 million Boomers who offically started the transition to leaving the workforce.
That means over the next 18 years, there will be around 4.44 million annually or 370,000 per Month, which would/should equate to about 222,000 retirements each month, if we use a standard 60% participation rate?

In a fully functional Economy, those retiring would/should be replaced by others in the workforce and a further 150,000 SHOULD be added to the workforce, via Population Growth, just to tread water. All of which means, the total Employed Pool should expand at a rate of about 150,000 each month or 3.6 million over a 2 year period.

However, as you point out, the total Employed pool has actually Declined by over 700,000 in the last 2 years.

This means that the US Economy has failed by some 4.3 million jobs, over the last 2 years, just to keep up treading water, let alone to actually expand the Economy!

These Demographics will not go away, both Population Growth & Boomer Retirements are likely to remain constant, particularly with Boomer retirements, as the next 10 years will see a larger portion of boomer retirements than the next 10 years, as the largest portion of Boomer births came in the period 1946-1956 and that rate then started to decline.

Now, I've provided all of those facts, to tell you this, THAT IS WHY DEMAND IS FALLING, as huge numbers of Boomers move into a lower Consumption Retirement lifestyle, plus a greater portion of the Total Population also moves into a lower Consumption lifestyle, as they lose jobs altogether or can not gain full time work!

These factors, plus Peak Energy (Oil first), plus the existing massive Debt situation, plus issues relating to Climate Change are flowing to the rest of the US Economy and onto the wider Global Economy, which means, THERE IS NO RECOVERY AND THERE CAN NOT BE ANY RECOVERY!


By way of re-inforcing where the USA is now at, the ratings company Standard & Poors have today downgraded the US rating from AAA, which it has held for some 100 years, to AA+.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/08/05/americas-credit-downgraded-what-you-need-...

In doing so S&P said, "The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as America's governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective, and less predictable than what we previously believed. The statutory debt ceiling and the threat of default have become political bargaining chips in the debate over fiscal policy. Despite this year's wide-ranging debate, in our view, the differences between political parties have proven to be extraordinarily difficult to bridge, and, as we see it, the resulting agreement fell well short of the comprehensive fiscal consolidation program that some proponents had envisaged until quite recently. Republicans and Democrats have only been able to agree to relatively modest savings on discretionary spending while delegating to the Select Committee decisions on more comprehensive measures. It appears that for now, new revenues have dropped down on the menu of policy options. In addition, the plan envisions only minor policy changes on Medicare and little change in other entitlements, the containment of which we and most other independent observers regard as key to long-term fiscal sustainability."

S&P also provided the 2 following graphs, which strongly relate to what's been happening -
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The US government have already said that S&P have got their figures wrong, which is like "the pot calling the kettle black".

Given past experiences with share market crashes, I suspect that there is still some way to go, before reaching a temporary market bottom!
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Reply #251 - Aug 6th, 2011 at 8:32pm
 
Markets brace for more economic pain


THE escalating debt crises in Europe and fears that the US is rapidly sliding back into recession have rocked Australian financial markets, wiping $100 billion off the value of company shares this week and sending the Australian dollar into a tailspin.

The benchmark S&P/ASX200 index closed down 171.1 points to 4105.4, while the broader All Ordinaries index was off 183.2 points, or 4.21 per cent, to 4169.7.

The losses mean the Australian market has fallen in 14 of the past 20 trading sessions.

The Australian dollar was dumped as the currency plunged nearly 2 per cent from $US1.0689 to trade at $US1.0465, the lowest level in four months, amid fears the global economy was slowing, which would also undermine China's economy.

For home owners, the financial markets were betting that the next interest rate move would be down, but it is small comfort at a time when the economy is facing a severe jolt and employment indications are weakening.

ANZ's co-head of Australian economics Ivan Colhoun said the European debt crisis was a major threat to the world economy.

"We are highly alert to the risks of a second GFC," he said.

It is almost four years since the stockmarket peaked -- 1373 days have passed since the peak, an extended rout that eclipses the time it took stockmarkets to recover from the 1987 crash when markets recovered and leaped previous highs within 504 days.


The Reserve Bank surprised the market yesterday as it slashed its growth forecasts for the Australian economy this year from 4.25 per cent to 3.25 per cent.

The RBA also warned that inflation would remain at or above its 2-3 per cent management bracket for two years.

"When there is pneumonia offshore, it is going to have a direct impact on us because of our level of debt and the fact that nearly three-quarters of the debt is held by people living offshore.

"The best way to be positioned at the moment for a nation and for an individual is to have cash in the bank.


Citigroup equity strategist Tony Brennan said investors were most concerned about the state of the world economy.

"People are starting to worry about a global recession," he said. "We had that in 2008 and 2009, but I don't think people are too concerned about things getting to that extent at the moment," he said.

"The markets have come off about 10 to 15 per cent; in the GFC, markets were down 50 per cent."


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The Truth is, I suspect that world markets will revisit their GFC Mk1 lows at some point, prior to the end of 2012 and eventually revisit their 1995 positions, to come back to the point where this share market bubble started!
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Reply #252 - Aug 6th, 2011 at 10:46pm
 
Wall Street Has Wild Ride After Jobs Report




Some interesting comments, on the above video report, from a NYSE Share trader, who says (starting) around 27 seconds into the report that "unsubstantiated rumours" that S&P were going to downgrade the market (read US Credit rating) after the close and that was enough to send the market down by 240 points.

He then goes on to say, "that there was then another rumour that the ECB was going to "give" Spain & Italy money" and that moved the market up by 120 points.


What makes these comments more interesting, from the perspective of what will happen on Monday, is that the S&P rumour turned out to be a fact & the ECB rumour of "giving" more money to Italy & Spain, did not turn out to be correct, at least at this point!

All of which suggests some interesting scenario's for Monday and I will keep a close eye on DOW Futures, for some direction points!  
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Reply #253 - Aug 7th, 2011 at 2:16pm
 
Sharemarket set for 'wild ride'


THE Australian sharemarket is expected to suffer another horror day tomorrow after rating agency Standard & Poor's downgraded the US's credit rating and issued a scathing critique of Washington's ability to deal with its economic woes.

Locally, CommSec economists predicted the global uncertainty would cause the Australian sharemarket to fall a further 1 to 2 per cent, after it lost $100 billion last week.
Austock's Michael Heffernan tipped ''another big, extremely volatile week'', but most experts agreed there would be little impact on the economy.


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http://www.smh.com.au/business/sharemarket-set-for-wild-ride-20110806-1igz5.html
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The Truth is, that Monday will be a down day on the All Ords, but by how much will depend on what happens on the DOW Futures market, on Monday.

The Real test, then comes overnight our time, when the US markets open and that Day/night could turn out to be (or at least feel) very, very long!  


In respect of most experts agreeing there would be little impact on the economy, I recall that the "experts" said there would not be a GFC Mk1.
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Reply #254 - Aug 7th, 2011 at 3:06pm
 
<<Austock's Michael Heffernan tipped ''another big, extremely volatile week'', but most experts agreed there would be little impact on the economy.>>

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They have to keep saying this so that people don't freak out and have a run on the banks, but anyone with any nous would know that any major drop will have more than a little impact on the economy.
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