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Reply #300 - Sep 29th, 2011 at 10:31am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 29th, 2011 at 9:17am:
the markets have become more volatile.
Some good coys are selling on a very good yield, it's getting close to the stage where one should borrow to buy these better coys.
the yield and tax write off on repayments will essentially repay the loan.

So you'll get given blue chip shares for nothing. Thanks.

Fear and greed run the markets.
Nothing is new - read "reminisces of a stock operater", a book now now about 90 years old .


It is true that markets have become MORE VOLATILE and that is not going away any time soon.
In fact, the volatility is likely to increase AND some LARGE FALLS are likely, with little or no warning , TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, particularly those outside the USA & EUROPE!


That's NOT quite correct! There may be many outcomes, which will look similar to past events, but there may be, in fact there is likely to be some outcomes that are very rare or have never happened before.
My reason for making that statement, is that current & future events are being largely driven by "once in human history factors", such as -
1) Demographics - Ageing Baby Boomers (biggest generation in history) & a slowdown in Population Growth, which is a prelude to actual & permanent Population Decline, in about 20-30 years (once in history).
2) Peak Energy - An actual Decline in Fossil Fuels is on the near future radar, after the Plateau that it has been on for the last 6 years or so. This does have some rare examples in human history, for the main energy source to go into such a Decline, but it is of a minor nature, such as Easter Island.
3) Peak Debt - Debt has now reached a point where it must fall Globally, even though the accepted Economic view of "fiat currencies & money markets" is that exponential growth is REQUIRED or the house of cards will collapse.  This is also a oncer, as it has never happened on this scale.
4) Climate Change - Whatever is thought of the extent of mankinds influence on these events, the fact is that the climate is changing and it is likely set to reach a warming Peak, before then reverting to the cooling trend, which has happened many times before in the planets history, but only once before in human history and we went very close to becoming extinct!  

In short, it is very unlikely, for quite some time, if ever, that we will see equity markets give the short of investment returns that happened over the last 50 years?
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Reply #301 - Sep 29th, 2011 at 11:34am
 
Once upon a time, the Sahara desert was lush rainforest.
Once upon a time, the earth was totally covered in ice.
Once upon a time Australia was part of Africa.

Once upon a time we had funny little old homeless guys walking around with placards that said ' we are doomed'  and 'the end is nigh'.

They all cleaned themselves up, joined political parties, discovered fast cars and hookers..and lived happily ever after.  

And that, my friends,  is the real truth.
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Reply #302 - Oct 1st, 2011 at 10:21am
 
The Mighty US$

Last Report dated 03/09/2011

US$ Index (basket of Currencies):  @ 78.80 (Last Report - 74.71) (2010/06/04 - 87.85)
http://www.goldseek.com/quotes/charts/usdollar/usdollarindex24hour.php

Euro - US$: @ 1.3388 (Last Report - 1.4205) (2010/06/04 - 120.44)
AUD$ - US$: @ 0.9662 (Last Report - 1.0645) (2010/06/04 - 83.17)
AUD$ - GBP: @ 0.6200 (Last Report - 0.6563) (2010/06/04 - 57.04)
AUD$ - EURO:  @ 0.7217 (Last Report - 0.7492) (2010/06/04 - 69.06)
http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/currencies/fxc.html

Gold - @ US$1,622.30 (Last Report - US$1,884.20) (2010/06/04 - $1,207.80)
Oil WTi -  @ US$79.20 (Last Report - US$86.45) (2011/03/19 US$101.01)  (2010/06/04 - $70.22)
BALTIC DRY INDEX (BDIY) - @ 1,899 (Down 14 @ Friday close) (Last Report – 1,740) (2010/06/04 - 3,844)
http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=BDIY:IND

DOW @ 10,913 - (Down 241 @ Friday close) (Last Report - 11,240)  (2010/06/04 - 11,444)
ALL ORDS @  4,070 (Up 2 @ Wednesday close) (Last Report - 4,322) (2010/06/04 - 4,840)
SHANGHAI COMPOSITE @  2,359 (Down 6 @ Friday close) (Last Report - 2,528) (2010/06/04 - 2,553)
http://www.bloomberg.com/?b=0

Last 5 years DOW -
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EDJI#chart3:symbol=

THERE was movement at the FED, for the word had passed around, That the US$ was an old Regret and its value had long since passed away
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Well, talk about VOLATILITY!

In the month, since the last report -
The US$ index rose from  74.71 to 78.80
The Euro to the US$
dropped from 1.4205 to 1.3388

The OZ$
fell against the US$ from 1.0645 to 0.9662

Gold
declined from $1,884.20 to $1.622.30

Oil (Wti) has
fallen from $86.45 to $79.20 a barrel

The DOW
receded from 11,240 to 10.913

The ALL Ords is
down from 4,322 to 4,070

AND the SHANGHAI COMPOSITE has continued its
downward trend from 2,528 to 2,359  



The Oil Price will now decline along with the Global Economy, for some time, before recommencing it's rise, due to Supply related problems!

DOW
Share markets after reaching mid year lows, as the DOW went from just under 9800 in July, to finish 2010 at 11,577.
The DOW Declined from 12,657 on July 9th, to 11,445 on August 6th, before hitting a recent low of 10,719 on August 10th and some wild recent fluctuations, before finishing down 241 on Friday, at 10,913.
Given the basic Economic factors in play, I suspect the trend is down & we are not yet anywhere close to a bottom.


ALL ORDS
The Australian market rose from just under 4,300 in July to finish 2010 at 4,847.
The All Ords Declined from 4,716 on July 9th, to 4,170 on August 6th, before hitting a recent low of 4057 on August 8th amid some wild swings, before finishing up 2 on Friday, at 4,070.
Following the US & Europe performances on Friday, it is likely that OZ will follow on Monday with another fall!
OZ, as with most other countries will follow the US and I therefore suspect that the All Ords is also no where close to a bottom.


SHANGHAI COMPOSITE
The Shanghai Composite now seems set on a downward trend, since April, 2011!
The Shanghai Composite finished down 6 on Friday, to close at 2,359.
http://chart.finance.yahoo.com/zs=000001.SS&t=6m&q=l&l=on&z=l&a=v&p=s&lang=en-AU&region=AU

NOTE: Given the REAL, BASIC ECONOMIC FACTORS involved -
1) Declining Demand, due to Demographics (Baby Boomer Ageing & Job losses) and the Public anticipating a poor Economic future, due to Debt problems in the US & Europe.
2) Peak Energy & related issues.
3) Neither side of the Economic divide (Keynesians Vs Austrians) can magically solve the current Global Economic dilemma's.
4) Bernanke & the FED are Impotent.
5) Obama can not stimulate the US Economy, as US Debt is already far too high, so any possible stimulus measures can only be mild and that is, IF any measures can get past the Republicans & the Tea Party.

I WOULD SUGGEST, THE TRUTH IS, THAT EQUITIES ARE GOING TO TAKE A HAMMERING for quite some time and given these circumstances and the history of past October events, there may be even greater volatility over the next 30 days?

Good luck & watch the Debt!  
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Reply #303 - Oct 3rd, 2011 at 11:52am
 
ALL Ords lowest since July, 2009


At just after 11am, the ALL ords hit 3,973.90, which is the first time back below 4,000 since July, 2009.
http://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXASX:XAO

The ALL Ords have since recovered somewhat, to be trading around 4,000, following a rise in DOW Futures.
http://www.forexpros.com/indices/us-30-futures-advanced-chart

That said, the Truth is, given the volatility of recent trading, anything is possible?

As I have said previously, I expect the ALL Ords, in line with other markets, will re-test their March, 2009, in the short term (prior to the end of 2012), which would see the All Ords at or under 3,111.

However, in the slightly longer term, I expect markets to re-trace their levels prior to the start of this current bubble, which could see the ALL Ords hit the low 2,000's or even something with a 1 handle at the start?
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Reply #304 - Oct 3rd, 2011 at 1:41pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Oct 3rd, 2011 at 11:52am:
ALL Ords lowest since July, 2009


At just after 11am, the ALL ords hit 3,973.90, which is the first time back below 4,000 since July, 2009.
http://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXASX:XAO

The ALL Ords have since recovered somewhat, to be trading around 4,000, following a rise in DOW Futures.
http://www.forexpros.com/indices/us-30-futures-advanced-chart

That said, the Truth is, given the volatility of recent trading, anything is possible?

As I have said previously, I expect the ALL Ords, in line with other markets, will re-test their March, 2009, in the short term (prior to the end of 2012), which would see the All Ords at or under 3,111.

However, in the slightly longer term, I expect markets to re-trace their levels prior to the start of this current bubble, which could see the ALL Ords hit the low 2,000's or even something with a 1 handle at the start?


The all Ords were back down to 3973 at 2.30pm. They will most likely bounce back before close.  Crazy world of fiat money.
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Reply #305 - Oct 3rd, 2011 at 1:56pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 3rd, 2011 at 1:41pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Oct 3rd, 2011 at 11:52am:
ALL Ords lowest since July, 2009


At just after 11am, the ALL ords hit 3,973.90, which is the first time back below 4,000 since July, 2009.
http://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXASX:XAO

The ALL Ords have since recovered somewhat, to be trading around 4,000, following a rise in DOW Futures.
http://www.forexpros.com/indices/us-30-futures-advanced-chart

That said, the Truth is, given the volatility of recent trading, anything is possible?

As I have said previously, I expect the ALL Ords, in line with other markets, will re-test their March, 2009, in the short term (prior to the end of 2012), which would see the All Ords at or under 3,111.

However, in the slightly longer term, I expect markets to re-trace their levels prior to the start of this current bubble, which could see the ALL Ords hit the low 2,000's or even something with a 1 handle at the start?


The all Ords were back down to 3973 at 2.30pm. They will most likely bounce back before close.  Crazy world of fiat money.


That would depend, largely on what happens on the DOW Futures, over the next hour of so!

Crazy world of Politics & Economics (in general), as well!
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Reply #306 - Oct 3rd, 2011 at 2:25pm
 
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Reply #307 - Oct 3rd, 2011 at 5:00pm
 
All Ords closed at 3960.


http://www.asx.com.au/asx/widget/chart.doasxCode=XAO&type=INDEX

    that was a big one day drop
OUCH!!!!
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Reply #308 - Oct 4th, 2011 at 8:57am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Oct 4th, 2011 at 12:15am:
DOW rises 115 points in minutes - Why?


In just a few minutes, the DOW has gone up some 115 points!
http://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXDJX:.DJI

Any good news out?


DOW Finishes down 258


Well, the Truth was, NO good news came out, but someone may have been trying to influence the market, which doesn't seem to have succeeded.

http://chart.finance.yahoo.com/zs=%5eDJI&t=1d&q=l&l=on&z=l&a=v&p=s&lang=en-AU&region=AU

That makes nearly 500 points or 4.5% in the last 2 days trading.

Given US & European markets performances overnight, the OZ markets are likely to take another hammering today, unless someone pulls a rabit out  of the hat, by talking up something that is not going to resolve the current major Economic influencing Factors.

Anyhow, unless DOW Futures rise, for some reason, the ALL Ords will probably fall around 75-90 points today.

Good luck & watch the Debt!
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Reply #309 - Oct 5th, 2011 at 8:42am
 
U.S. Stocks Jump as S&P 500 Gains 4.1% in Final Hour


U.S. stocks rallied
, driving the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index up 4.1 percent in the final 50 minutes,
amid speculation European Union officials are examining how to recapitalize the region’s banks
. Treasuries fell and the euro rallied.


The S&P 500 surged 2.3 percent to 1,123.95 at 4 p.m. New York time, sparing the benchmark measure of U.S. equities its first bear market, or 20 percent retreat from a peak, since 2009. Yields on Treasury 10-year notes climbed 6 basis points to 1.82 percent. The euro appreciated 1.1 percent to $1.3322. Futures on Germany’s DAX Index pared their loss to 1 percent from 4.9 percent.

Equities rebounded after the S&P 500 fell below 1,090.89, the closing level required to give the index a 20 percent slump from the three-year high reached on April 29. Stocks rose after the Financial Times quoted Olli Rehn, European commissioner for economic affairs, as saying there is an “increasingly shared view” that the region needs a coordinated approach to halt the sovereign debt crisis. After U.S. markets closed, Belgian Prime Minister Yves Leterme said a “bad bank” to hold Dexia SA (DEXB)’s troubled assets will be set up.

“The European crisis has been the market driver,” Richard Sichel, who oversees $1.6 billion as chief investment officer at Philadelphia Trust Co., said in a phone interview. “If Europe comes out with something to kick the can down the road, it buys them more time. We learned in 2008 how important the financial system is and how a ripple effect can occur.”

U.S. stocks followed European shares lower earlier as some officials signaled bondholders may have to take bigger losses on Greek debt than previously negotiated.

The possible breakup of Belgian bank Dexia and Deutsche Bank AG (DBK)’s abandonment of its profit forecast added to signs that contagion from the debt crisis is spreading. Goldman Sachs Group Inc. cut its global growth forecasts and predicted recessions in Germany and France.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-04/asia-stocks-oil-drop-on-europe-crisis-c...
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http://chart.finance.yahoo.com/zs=%5eDJI&t=1d&q=l&l=on&z=l&a=v&p=s&lang=en-AU&region=AU

Well, that was Fortuitous?

Just as the broader US S&P was about to close below 20% down from its April highs and enter into "official Bear Market" territory, out comes a rumour that Europes problems are about to have a magical fix and the DOW responds by rising some 360 points, in less than an hour, to provide some temporary breathing space!

This again reminds me of the adage, "buy on the rumour & sell on the fact" and the fact is that this is "market manipulation" by TPTB, to buy a little more time, in the hope that time will somehow solve all problems, which in this instance, it can't!

That said, at least the local (OZ) markets may get some respite today, with a rise, unless the can didn't get kicked far enough down the road, the facts surface too quickly and the DOW Futures dive again today?

We really are, now on the roller coaster ride of our lifetime!


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Reply #310 - Oct 5th, 2011 at 12:33pm
 
Hopefully this will shed some light on the situation.
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Reply #311 - Oct 8th, 2011 at 12:09pm
 
Shrinking workforce may dampen expansion for decades


WASHINGTON —
This is not your mother’s recovery.


Women and baby boomers entering the American workforce after 1950 helped to supercharge expansions in 1975 and 1983 by filling an increasing number of jobs and purchasing more goods and services. Now as the share of women with jobs falls and older Americans age into retirement, the shrinking — or, at best, slowly growing — workforce will weaken economic activity for the next two decades.

The demographic changes may be the biggest and least-appreciated reason why the two-year recovery has slowed, because the rate of growth for labor and capital is “the most important determinant” of economic expansion,
said James Paulsen, chief investment strategist for Wells Capital Management in Minneapolis.


More retirees mean slower household formation, reduced consumer spending and downward pressure on equity prices as retirement cuts people’s purchasing power, according to John Lonski, chief economist at Moody’s Capital Markets Group in New York, and Gus Faucher, director of macroeconomics at Moody’s Analytics Inc. in West Chester, Pa.

“A weaker labor force does dampen the pace of the rebound,” along with “our expectation for what an expansionary trend is,” said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New York. “We should be lowering our sights on potential GDP compared to when our population was younger.”

Anemic gains in the number of new workers has effectively cut the long-term “speed limit for growth” to 2.25 percent, estimates Maki, a former senior economist at the Federal Reserve. That compares with the Fed’s estimated 2.5 percent to 2.8 percent rate for gross domestic product and average growth of 3.2 percent from 1980 to 2000.

Automakers General Motors, Ford and Toyota, motorcycle maker Harley-Davidson and natural- foods grocer Whole Foods Market may be hurt by the shift because most retirees will cut spending on big-ticket items and nonessentials, said C. Britt Beemer, chairman of America’s Research Group in Charleston, S.C., a consulting company that studies consumer behavior.

“Older people tend to have lower incomes, their consumption tends to be lower and in that sense, consumer-spending growth would be weaker as well,” said Moody’s Faucher. “There will be fewer people in prime car-buying years,” and “recreational goods and services are a young-adult thing.”

The aging population also may hold down stock values for the next two decades as boomers sell shares to finance retirement, according to a Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco research paper released Aug. 22.

“The mentality has shifted to preserving wealth rather than growing wealth, with less-risky portfolio allocations,” said Emily Sanders, president of Sanders Financial Management Inc. in Norcross, Ga., whose largest group of clients is aged 55-65. A typical 65-year-old may have 50 percent of his portfolio in stocks, which would drop to 30 percent at age 80, she said.

Faucher forecasts changing demographics will lead to a period when nominal GDP growth — which includes the impact of inflation — slows to 3.3 percent compared with 5.5 percent before the 18-month recession. That means the rise in corporate profits and equity prices would slow to about 3.3 percent from 5.5 percent as well, he said.

An estimated 72 million people, or 19.3 percent of the population, will be 65 and older by 2030, compared with 40 million, or 13 percent, in 2010, the Census Bureau estimates.

“We are at the threshold of retirement mountain: a huge, huge change in the numbers of people who are reaching the age where they are leaving the labor force,” said Neal Soss, chief economist with Credit Suisse Holdings USA in New York.

While losses from declines in the value of 401k and similar accounts may force some to delay retirement, these delays will be temporary, he said.

“Maybe one of the solutions here is that they work a year or two longer,” he said. “Do we really think we are going to have a lot of 80-year-olds in the workforce? It sounds good until you start thinking about the practicalities of it.”

The baby boom, the population bulge born after World War II between 1946 and 1964, added 9.4 million people in the 16-24 age group during the 1960s and 7.3 million in the 1970s. The percentage of women in the workforce almost doubled to 60.3 percent in 2000 from 33.6 percent in 1953, according to the Labor Department.

Boomers started turning 65 this year, and every day for the next 18 years, about 10,000 more will hit the age that historically has been associated with retirement, according to the Pew Research Center in Washington. Women’s participation in the labor force may decline slightly during the next 40 years to about 57 percent because fewer will have jobs as they grow older, the Bureau of Labor Statistics projects.

While GDP has grown at an average annual pace of 2.4 percent in the eight quarters since the December 2007 recession ended, that compares with an average of 6.3 percent after the July 1981 slump and 4.7 percent following the November 1973 contraction, both of which lasted 16 months.
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Reply #312 - Oct 8th, 2011 at 12:09pm
 
Shrinking workforce may dampen expansion for decades (Cont)


Gary Burtless, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution in Washington, agrees that slower population growth affects the rate of economic output. Still, the recent decline in the workforce “is vastly greater than can be explained” by demographics and mainly reflects the inability of unemployed people to find work,
he said.

Some industries may benefit from the demographic shift, Faucher said.

“We’d expect to see strong growth in health-care spending, and I think we’ll need to see strong growth in investment spending as companies will need to invest in technology to get greater productivity,” he said.

About 70 percent of Americans aged 50 to 64 are very or moderately worried about having enough money in retirement, an April Gallup poll showed. People need about 70 percent to 80 percent of their pre-retirement income to live comfortably after they quit working, according to the Social Security Administration.

Their concerns may be exacerbated as the slow recovery and aging workforce has prompted the government to forecast that Medicare, the government’s health-insurance program for the elderly and disabled, and the Social Security trust for the disabled and retirees will run out of money sooner than earlier projections.

The trustees of the two programs reported in May that Medicare won’t have sufficient funds to pay full benefits starting in 2024, five years earlier than last year’s estimate, and Social Security’s cash to pay full benefits runs short in 2036, a year sooner than the 2010 projection.

Maya Hahn, an Atlanta real-estate agent, turned 65 last week and said she plans to retire next year on less than half the “six-figure income” she earned during the early 2000s. She considers herself “semiretired” now because of the housing bust in the past few years.

“The happiest day of my life was the day I got my Medicare,” she said. “It was a huge weight lifted off me” because of rising health-care and drug expenses in retirement.

“You have to think about what you spend on anything,” she said. “You don’t go out to movies. You don’t go out to dinner. You don’t go on vacation. There are no fun bucks.”


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It is True, that this Economic slowdown & this recovery, are different to all such previous events!

It is also True, that the Demographic issues raised in this article are & will be a major influence over existing & future events!

It is also True, that Demographic issues have been the single, most influential Determinant that has shaped the Global Economy, for the last 80 years and which will continue to do so over the next century, together with Peak Energy & Climate Change!

These are the factors that are driving & will continue to drive Consumer Demand!

There is absolutely no way that Governments OR Central Banks can push up Consumer Demand, given these major factors!

All that has happened so far, is attempts to inflate Demand by various measures including many Financial sector bailouts. That has caused Economic Growth to be kept artificial higher (although still lower than usual/past averages), governments have vastly inflated their Debts and therefore the headline GDP Growth has been & is an illusion, it is not real and it can not be sustained against the major factors currently influencing the Global Economy!    

Any past, current &/or future attempts, by Governments or CB's to push on the peice of string commonly called Demand, will result in an abject failure!

The Truth is, there is NO QUICK FIX for what's happening!

It will certainly require higher Taxes, particularly from Business & the higher end Income earners!

It will also certainly require expenditure savings, partiularly in areas where efficiencies can be implemented & many Political Party Favourites will have to go!

But, in the long run, we will also have to accept that the old concepts of a growth Economy are dead and we must start down a new paths, both Economically & Politically!

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Reply #313 - Oct 8th, 2011 at 8:26pm
 
Belgium Joins The PIIGS


We need to add a new name to the ever increasing list of insolvent EU countries: the Kingdom of Belgium. Yesterday, it was reported that Belgium, in conjunction with the French government, would effectively nationalize and then break up the struggling mega bank Dexia (DXBGF.PK) and spin it off into the form of a good-bank/bad bank scenario (with taxpayers forced to pay the bill). This news is widely credited with sparking the 400-point move in the Dow in the last 45 minutes of trading.

The collapse of Dexia should not have taken anyone by surprise. In fact, the hopelessly irresponsible bank is no stranger to taxpayer funded bailouts. Back in 2008, during the depths of the US financial crisis, Dexia was injected with 6.4 billion EUR of capital by the French, Belgian, and Luxembourg governments. In addition, the bank was given up to 150 billion EUR in funding guarantees to assure reassure counterparties and to allow the bank to continue operations

One of the most troubling aspects of the Dexia saga is the incompetence of EU regulators and ratings agencies, which should spook any bank shareholder. Dexia notes proudly on its website that it passed last year's EU bank stress test, saying: “The conclusion of the stress tests is that Dexia does not require additional capital to withstand the CEBS two-year 'what-if' adverse scenario including the additional sovereign shock.” Most skeptics pointed out the flaws of the EU bank stress tests, mainly that they were too conservative and failed to prepare banks for an extreme case like a sovereign default.

It turns out that those critics were correct. While corruption and stupidity is to be expected among EU bureaucrats, one would think that investors could at least rely on ratings agencies for some factual information.

The major story of the Dexia bailout is that it now puts Belgium in the same position as EU bailout recipient Ireland, which was rendered bankrupt by the markets and frozen out of the credit markets in late 2010. Belgium at this time is unable to afford a major bank bailout for two major reasons: deteriorating economic finances and lack of political consensus. In 2010 Belgium GDP came in at $467 billion dollars, and debt to GDP rose to 97.2%.

As of June 30, 2010 foreign investors owned a whopping 88.7% of Belgium’s Treasury certificates and 55% of its Linear Bonds.

How investors will react to an over-leveraged country bailing out a bankrupt bank with total assets (517 billion EUR) that exceed the country’s GDP is not a pleasant thought.


Link -
http://seekingalpha.com/article/297975-belgium-joins-the-piigs?ifp=0&source=emai...
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A few observations -
1) Political corruption & incompetence is not restricted to Belgium Politicians.
2) Ratings agencies should be very closely examined, for their roles, in this entire Gloabl Economic Event.
3) Now that Belgium have joined the Piigs, how will things change if Germany fall into the trap?
Will we then have -
Big Pigs?

B
elgium
I
reland
G
reece

P
ortugal
I
taly
G
ermany
S
pain  


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Re: What's the Real truth?
Reply #314 - Oct 8th, 2011 at 8:30pm
 
Perceptions Now, would you happen to know Dexia's two biggest shareholders?

You should update your research on Ireland.
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Politicians and Nappies need to be changed often and for the same reason.

One trouble with political jokes is that they often get elected.

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