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stryder Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4545 Gender:	Re: What's the Real truth? Reply #60 - Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 11:16pm Thats pretty much sums up the CLIMATE CHANGE DOOM AND GLOOM CULT. Enjoy,
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Reply #62 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 11:24am

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 9:18pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 6:50pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 2:23pm:

I post this here, because it's relevant!

1) What are the likely costs, benefits & losses involved, IF humanity were to proceed on MY scenario that Climate Change is a reality and it turned out that my Climate Change scenario was -
a) Correct!

We, the current batch of humans, would have done whatever we could to prevent a catastrophe and we would have done so on the user pays principle. At least, we would not have completely postponed any costs, exclusively to future generations, so that we could continue to pander to our own immediate whims!

There is no denying that the costs of taking action now, would be significant and when combined with what is already happening relevant to -
1) Demographics - The Baby Boomer Bust.
2) Peak Energy.
3) Massive Global Debt overload.
those costs would most likely make the upcoming Depression, very long & even more painfull.
In relative GDP terms, if all countries chipped in now, then the cost could perhaps be at least 5% of GDP.

However, an overrider is that it must be an all in approach, if some of the larger Economies such as the USA, China, India, Europe and even Australia do not play ball fairly, then whatever is done is likely not to bear fruit and failure will have severe costs!

b) Incorrect!

Then we will unnecessarily have exacerbated a Depression, into a severe Depression.

2) What are the likely costs, benefits & losses involved, IF humanity were to proceed on the scenario that Climate Change is NOT a reality and it turned out that Climate Change scenario was -
a) Correct!

Then we will unnecessarily have exacerbated a Depression, into a severe Depression.

b) Incorrect!

IF action does not start fairly soon on both Climate Change & Peak Energy, then the results would be -
* The entire Global Economy may vanish!
* A catastrophe, in human loss of life, on a Biblical scale!

The basic difference between the two approaches, is that if we accept there may be a Threat, then we will have simply followed good business practices and acted on the SWOT approach, which is simply a strategic planning method used to evaluate the Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, and Threats involved in any project, Private business venture and Governments, at all levels.

We will have detected possible Threats, such as Climate Change & Peak Energy and done our Due Diligence, to see that future generations had a reasonable chance of living a life worth living.

In other words, we (collectively) will simply have done what good businesses, governments & individuals should do, every day and what most actually do.

We have assessed the Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities & Threats, several significant Threats have appeared and we have treated them according to their priority. These threats, whilst some may say they are not overwhelming, nor perhaps even likely, they are of such a size, if they become reality, that we CAN NOT IGNORE THEM.

So, we do what good business pratice dictates, we look at insurance to cover the RISK of SYSTEMIC MELTDOWN, by getting everyone to pitch in a bit every year, as preventative measures and we take all possible mitigation measures, to try to prevent the systemic meltdown of the Business/Government/Global Economy.

The likely outcomes of two scenario's is the same, we simply make a bad scenario worse.

If we assume that Climate Change is real, it turns out to be real, we take proper Business Risk mitgation and everyone joins in, then humanity & the Economy, still has hope.

If we assume that Climate Change is NOT real, but it turns out to be real, we continue with Business as usual and do nothing, then humanity & the Economy, losses all hope and we really are doomed.

And, here was me, thinking that some of those on the Conservative Right, who seem to think that Business is their domain, may have commented, on what are standard business practices?

But, it's just further proof that the myth of Economic infallibility that many Conservatives raise, is just that, it's a myth!

If anyone ran a business, like some of you want to approach Climate Change & Peak Energy, then you would most likely be in the 50% of businesses that fail, in the first 12 months!

No comment from the Conservative "think" tankers - Maqqa, Cods, LW & associates.

I'll take that as confirmation that the Conservative/Liberal Economic managers myth, is dead & buried!!!

Still no comment from the CONservative "masters of Economics 101".

Their mythical kingdom is dead, long live the new king?

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Re: What's the Real truth?
Reply #63 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 11:28am

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 11:24am:

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 9:18pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 6:50pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 2:23pm:

I post this here, because it's relevant!

1) What are the likely costs, benefits & losses involved, IF humanity were to proceed on MY scenario that Climate Change is a reality and it turned out that my Climate Change scenario was -
a) Correct!

We, the current batch of humans, would have done whatever we could to prevent a catastrophe and we would have done so on the user pays principle. At least, we would not have completely postponed any costs, exclusively to future generations, so that we could continue to pander to our own immediate whims!

There is no denying that the costs of taking action now, would be significant and when combined with what is already happening relevant to -
1) Demographics - The Baby Boomer Bust.
2) Peak Energy.
3) Massive Global Debt overload.
those costs would most likely make the upcoming Depression, very long & even more painfull.
In relative GDP terms, if all countries chipped in now, then the cost could perhaps be at least 5% of GDP.

However, an overrider is that it must be an all in approach, if some of the larger Economies such as the USA, China, India, Europe and even Australia do not play ball fairly, then whatever is done is likely not to bear fruit and failure will have severe costs!

b) Incorrect!

Then we will unnecessarily have exacerbated a Depression, into a severe Depression.

2) What are the likely costs, benefits & losses involved, IF humanity were to proceed on the scenario that Climate Change is NOT a reality and it turned out that Climate Change scenario was -
a) Correct!

Then we will unnecessarily have exacerbated a Depression, into a severe Depression.

b) Incorrect!

IF action does not start fairly soon on both Climate Change & Peak Energy, then the results would be -
* The entire Global Economy may vanish!
* A catastrophe, in human loss of life, on a Biblical scale!

The basic difference between the two approaches, is that if we accept there may be a Threat, then we will have simply followed good business practices and acted on the SWOT approach, which is simply a strategic planning method used to evaluate the Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, and Threats involved in any project, Private business venture and Governments, at all levels.

We will have detected possible Threats, such as Climate Change & Peak Energy and done our Due Diligence, to see that future generations had a reasonable chance of living a life worth living.

In other words, we (collectively) will simply have done what good businesses, governments & individuals should do, every day and what most actually do.

We have assessed the Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities & Threats, several significant Threats have appeared and we have treated them according to their priority. These threats, whilst some may say they are not overwhelming, nor perhaps even likely, they are of such a size, if they become reality, that we CAN NOT IGNORE THEM.

So, we do what good business pratice dictates, we look at insurance to cover the RISK of SYSTEMIC MELTDOWN, by getting everyone to pitch in a bit every year, as preventative measures and we take all possible mitigation measures, to try to prevent the systemic meltdown of the Business/Government/Global Economy.

The likely outcomes of two scenario's is the same, we simply make a bad scenario worse.

If we assume that Climate Change is real, it turns out to be real, we take proper Business Risk mitgation and everyone joins in, then humanity & the Economy, still has hope.

If we assume that Climate Change is NOT real, but it turns out to be real, we continue with Business as usual and do nothing, then humanity & the Economy, losses all hope and we really are doomed.

And, here was me, thinking that some of those on the Conservative Right, who seem to think that Business is their domain, may have commented, on what are standard business practices?

But, it's just further proof that the myth of Economic infallibility that many Conservatives raise, is just that, it's a myth!

If anyone ran a business, like some of you want to approach Climate Change & Peak Energy, then you would most likely be in the 50% of businesses that fail, in the first 12 months!

No comment from the Conservative "think" tankers - Maqqa, Cods, LW & associates.

I'll take that as confirmation that the Conservative/Liberal Economic managers myth, is dead & buried!!!

Still no comment from the CONservative "masters of Economics 101".

Their mythical kingdom is dead, long live the new king?

People have to agree that you exist in order to consider your SPAM. Maybe you are seen as a BOT that SPAMS message boards, so dont want to give legitimacy to you. Shame because you do come up with some pretty dumb questions that need you to carry its barrow because it need pushing due to lack of legitimacy.

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stryder Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4545 Gender:	Re: What's the Real truth? Reply #64 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 11:30am Tells us PERCEPTIONS ARE YOU GROUNDED IN REALITY OR SCENARIOS, ?????? That might give you an answer why nobody gives a **** to answer your IFS, IFS and MAYBES crap you keep posting..
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Reply #65 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 12:06pm

creep wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 11:24pm:

stryder wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 11:16pm:

Thats pretty much sums up the CLIMATE CHANGE DOOM AND GLOOM CULT.

Enjoy, Grin

LOL
very good
And very true and appropriate
The sheep will believe this bull (about climate change)

Good to see that the Antartica got a mention too LOL

The great thing about the internet is that you can always find some crackpot that agrees with whatever crazy idea you can come up with.

You wont find a qualified person, but you'll find someone seeking their 15 minutes of fame. Let the stupid rule!

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Re: What's the Real truth?
Reply #66 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 12:48pm

I post this here, because it is relevant!

Soren wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 11:15pm:

The question then is about the risk assessment - how sure can we be/are we that AGW is a reality and if it is a reality, what is it's magnitude, longitude and impact.

Soren,
You just don't get it and you never will, not matter what information is provided, nor what events take place, you just can not accept anything outside your mindset!

That said, you ask, "how can we be sure".
Now that sounds much like what business ask for, "we are looking for certainty".

Well, let me tell you & business, THERE ARE FEW CERTAINTIES IN LIFE, ONLY DEATH & TAXATION COME TO MIND.

But, there is another "Law of Nature", which is also a certainty and that is, "exponential growth, in any finite environment, is impossible".

The truth is, as I have said previously, it really doesn't make any difference whether Climate Change is caused by us humans, although I am of the opinion that it has been materially affected by human input and the majority of world scientists agree.

The truth is, that the magnitude of what is happening is enormous. In fact, the combination of events, including -
1) Demographics.
2) Peak Energy (primarily Oil).
3) Climate Change.
4) Massive Global Debt overload.
are actually a once in history confluence of events, which will never happen again!
At least, not for many millions of years!

The truth is, we are nearing the end of the natural "mild climate cycle", from here on the natural climate would start to warm too much, to accommodate (feed & water) 7 Billion people, let alone any more. But, those extra GHG's we are pumping into the environment is most likely speeding the process and the result will see a shorter gap to reaching the top of this warming period.

But, whether we blame ourselves or not, we are now racing against the clock, to find ways of living with a much different world environment, whilst coping with a massive Decline in available Energy Supplies, particularly in the liquids for transport area, but also accross all sectors.

This is no Right Vs Left Political game, at the very least this event will be a long drawn out Economic turnturn of massive proportions, but it may well be a struggle for the very survival of the species?

I have previously raised the anaolgy of Wile E Coyote chasing the run runner towards a cliff, the road runner knows what's coming and he can stop faster than Wile E Coyote can.

The road runner hits his brakes, followed quickly by Wile E Coyote, but because of the small delay in applying the brakes and the longer braking time, Wile E Coyote is left "hanging ten" on the edge of the cliff.

The road runner reaches out to grab Wile E and save him, but then thinks, if he saves the Coyote, then Wile E will just revert to his old habit of trying to kill the road runner.

So, the road runner gives good old Wile E Coyote the slightest of nudges, which is just enough to make Wile E over balance and send
him over the edge of the cliff, to his death below!

The moral of the story being, it's those small nudges, you gotta watch out for!

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Reply #67 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 12:50pm

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 12:48pm:

I post this here, because it is relevant!

Soren wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 11:15pm:

The question then is about the risk assessment - how sure can we be/are we that AGW is a reality and if it is a reality, what is it's magnitude, longitude and impact.

Soren,
You just don't get it and you never will, not matter what information is provided, nor what events take place, you just can not accept anything outside your mindset!

That said, you ask, "how can we be sure".
Now that sounds much like what business ask for, "we are looking for certainty".

Well, let me tell you & business, THERE ARE FEW CERTAINTIES IN LIFE, ONLY DEATH & TAXATION COME TO MIND.

But, there is another "Law of Nature", which is also a certainty and that is, "exponential growth, in any finite environment, is impossible".

The truth is, as I have said previously, it really doesn't make any difference whether Climate Change is caused by us humans, although I am of the opinion that it has been materially affected by human input and the majority of world scientists agree.

The truth is, that the magnitude of what is happening is enormous. In fact, the combination of events, including -
1) Demographics.
2) Peak Energy (primarily Oil).
3) Climate Change.
4) Massive Global Debt overload.
are actually a once in history confluence of events, which will never happen again!
At least, not for many millions of years!

The truth is, we are nearing the end of the natural "mild climate cycle", from here on the natural climate would start to warm too much, to accommodate (feed & water) 7 Billion people, let alone any more. But, those extra GHG's we are pumping into the environment is most likely speeding the process and the result will see a shorter gap to reaching the top of this warming period.

But, whether we blame ourselves or not, we are now racing against the clock, to find ways of living with a much different world environment, whilst coping with a massive Decline in available Energy Supplies, particularly in the liquids for transport area, but also accross all sectors.

This is no Right Vs Left Political game, at the very least this event will be a long drawn out Economic turnturn of massive proportions, but it may well be a struggle for the very survival of the species?

I have previously raised the anaolgy of Wile E Coyote chasing the run runner towards a cliff, the road runner knows what's coming and he can stop faster than Wile E Coyote can.

The road runner hits his brakes, followed quickly by Wile E Coyote, but because of the small delay in applying the brakes and the longer braking time, Wile E Coyote is left "hanging ten" on the edge of the cliff.

The road runner reaches out to grab Wile E and save him, but then thinks, if he saves the Coyote, then Wile E will just revert to his old habit of trying to kill the road runner.

So, the road runner gives good old Wile E Coyote the slightest of nudges, which is just enough to make Wile E over balance and send
him over the edge of the cliff, to his death below!

http://paulandlayne.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/wile-e-coyote-gravity1.jpg

The moral of the story being, it's those small nudges, you gotta watch out for!

If you really wanted to take risk assesment into it, then you would ask the question 'if I did this, what temperature change and when, can I expect'.

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creep Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1881	Re: What's the Real truth? Reply #68 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 1:08pm stryder wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 11:30am: Tells us PERCEPTIONS ARE YOU GROUNDED IN REALITY OR SCENARIOS, ?????? That might give you an answer why nobody gives a **** to answer your IFS, IFS and MAYBES crap you keep posting.. It can't be a person, it must be a spam bot trolling the boards.
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Reply #69 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 2:49pm

creep wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 1:08pm:

stryder wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 11:30am:

Tells us PERCEPTIONS ARE YOU GROUNDED IN REALITY OR SCENARIOS, ?????? Grin

That might give you an answer why nobody gives a **** to answer your IFS, IFS and MAYBES crap you keep posting..

It can't be a person, it must be a spam bot trolling the boards.

I think you are looking for -
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=Maqqa

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Reply #70 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 7:31pm

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 11:24am:

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 9:18pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 6:50pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 2:23pm:

I post this here, because it's relevant!

1) What are the likely costs, benefits & losses involved, IF humanity were to proceed on MY scenario that Climate Change is a reality and it turned out that my Climate Change scenario was -
a) Correct!

We, the current batch of humans, would have done whatever we could to prevent a catastrophe and we would have done so on the user pays principle. At least, we would not have completely postponed any costs, exclusively to future generations, so that we could continue to pander to our own immediate whims!

There is no denying that the costs of taking action now, would be significant and when combined with what is already happening relevant to -
1) Demographics - The Baby Boomer Bust.
2) Peak Energy.
3) Massive Global Debt overload.
those costs would most likely make the upcoming Depression, very long & even more painfull.
In relative GDP terms, if all countries chipped in now, then the cost could perhaps be at least 5% of GDP.

However, an overrider is that it must be an all in approach, if some of the larger Economies such as the USA, China, India, Europe and even Australia do not play ball fairly, then whatever is done is likely not to bear fruit and failure will have severe costs!

b) Incorrect!

Then we will unnecessarily have exacerbated a Depression, into a severe Depression.

2) What are the likely costs, benefits & losses involved, IF humanity were to proceed on the scenario that Climate Change is NOT a reality and it turned out that Climate Change scenario was -
a) Correct!

Then we will unnecessarily have exacerbated a Depression, into a severe Depression.

b) Incorrect!

IF action does not start fairly soon on both Climate Change & Peak Energy, then the results would be -
* The entire Global Economy may vanish!
* A catastrophe, in human loss of life, on a Biblical scale!

The basic difference between the two approaches, is that if we accept there may be a Threat, then we will have simply followed good business practices and acted on the SWOT approach, which is simply a strategic planning method used to evaluate the Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, and Threats involved in any project, Private business venture and Governments, at all levels.

We will have detected possible Threats, such as Climate Change & Peak Energy and done our Due Diligence, to see that future generations had a reasonable chance of living a life worth living.

In other words, we (collectively) will simply have done what good businesses, governments & individuals should do, every day and what most actually do.

We have assessed the Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities & Threats, several significant Threats have appeared and we have treated them according to their priority. These threats, whilst some may say they are not overwhelming, nor perhaps even likely, they are of such a size, if they become reality, that we CAN NOT IGNORE THEM.

So, we do what good business pratice dictates, we look at insurance to cover the RISK of SYSTEMIC MELTDOWN, by getting everyone to pitch in a bit every year, as preventative measures and we take all possible mitigation measures, to try to prevent the systemic meltdown of the Business/Government/Global Economy.

The likely outcomes of two scenario's is the same, we simply make a bad scenario worse.

If we assume that Climate Change is real, it turns out to be real, we take proper Business Risk mitgation and everyone joins in, then humanity & the Economy, still has hope.

If we assume that Climate Change is NOT real, but it turns out to be real, we continue with Business as usual and do nothing, then humanity & the Economy, losses all hope and we really are doomed.

And, here was me, thinking that some of those on the Conservative Right, who seem to think that Business is their domain, may have commented, on what are standard business practices?

But, it's just further proof that the myth of Economic infallibility that many Conservatives raise, is just that, it's a myth!

If anyone ran a business, like some of you want to approach Climate Change & Peak Energy, then you would most likely be in the 50% of businesses that fail, in the first 12 months!

No comment from the Conservative "think" tankers - Maqqa, Cods, LW & associates.

I'll take that as confirmation that the Conservative/Liberal Economic managers myth, is dead & buried!!!

Still no comment from the CONservative "masters of Economics 101".

Their mythical kingdom is dead, long live the new king?

Still no comment from the CONServative "masters of Economics 101".

Maqqam Cods, LW & the other CONS have no sensible rebuttal, so they have "left" their cause?

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: What's the Real truth? Reply #71 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 10:36pm There's no point in attempting to answer 'loaded', nonsensical statements...
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Reply #72 - Jun 4^th, 2011 at 12:20am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 10:36pm:

There's no point in attempting to answer 'loaded', nonsensical statements...

So, tell me, what's loaded, about basic business processes?

The basic difference between the two approaches, is that if we accept there may be a Threat, then we will have simply followed good business practices and acted on the SWOT approach, which is simply a strategic planning method used to evaluate the Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, and Threats involved in any project, Private business venture and Governments, at all levels.

We will have detected possible Threats, such as Climate Change & Peak Energy and done our Due Diligence, to see that future generations had a reasonable chance of living a life worth living.

In other words, we (collectively) will simply have done what good businesses, governments & individuals should do, every day and what most actually do.

We have assessed the Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities & Threats, several significant Threats have appeared and we have treated them according to their priority. These threats, whilst some may say they are not overwhelming, nor perhaps even likely, they are of such a size, if they become reality, that we CAN NOT IGNORE THEM.

So, we do what good business pratice dictates, we look at insurance to cover the RISK of SYSTEMIC MELTDOWN, by getting everyone to pitch in a bit every year, as preventative measures and we take all possible mitigation measures, to try to prevent the systemic meltdown of the Business/Government/Global Economy.

Frankly, none of you supposed CONServatives on here, know the first thing about business or the Climate Change issues, I haven't seen a coherent argument put from any of you!

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Reply #73 - Jun 4^th, 2011 at 12:36am

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 4^th, 2011 at 12:20am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 10:36pm:

There's no point in attempting to answer 'loaded', nonsensical statements...

So, tell me, what's loaded, about basic business processes?

The basic difference between the two approaches, is that if we accept there may be a Threat, then we will have simply followed good business practices and acted on the SWOT approach, which is simply a strategic planning method used to evaluate the Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, and Threats involved in any project, Private business venture and Governments, at all levels.

We will have detected possible Threats, such as Climate Change & Peak Energy and done our Due Diligence, to see that future generations had a reasonable chance of living a life worth living.

In other words, we (collectively) will simply have done what good businesses, governments & individuals should do, every day and what most actually do.

We have assessed the Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities & Threats, several significant Threats have appeared and we have treated them according to their priority. These threats, whilst some may say they are not overwhelming, nor perhaps even likely, they are of such a size, if they become reality, that we CAN NOT IGNORE THEM.

So, we do what good business pratice dictates, we look at insurance to cover the RISK of SYSTEMIC MELTDOWN, by getting everyone to pitch in a bit every year, as preventative measures and we take all possible mitigation measures, to try to prevent the systemic meltdown of the Business/Government/Global Economy.

Frankly, none of you supposed CONServatives on here, know the first thing about business or the Climate Change issues, I haven't seen a coherent argument put from any of you!

Likewise. I dont know any company stupid enough to take money off of their workers or to pay extra, just to save 0.0001% temperature that will have zero impact on their business.

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