mavisdavis wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 1:38pm:


I guess that is what Jones trades on Mavis, the assumption that return listeners are dumb enough to take his word on anything.

Like all good denialists, he refuses to accept the findings of the actual experts in the field , declaring them all as tainted due to an avaricious desire for extra funding, yet seems willing to base his arguments on selectively cherry picked data from them, which he believes he can distort to his own advantage.

The sad fact may be that while at the most senior level, both sides of politics have accepted, albeit grudgingly by some, that the science behind the Global Warming debate is unassailable, some groups from the far right, still seek to make political gains, by fostering confusion and promoting misinformation, about Climate Change, and Jones is just one of the many mouth pieces they appear to use, to spread their misinformation.

The forces behind this campaign of misinformation have massive resources at their command, and fear nothing more than the strict regulation of their industries, which they fear will impact on their ability to continue to garner unchecked profits from their reckless ability to continue to grow their Carbon Emissions, unabated.

If people were really concerned about a vested interest steering this issue, they would be better served by looking at these large energy providers, and consumers, rather than trying to paint concerned scientists as evil conspirators, manipulating and falsifying data for the chance of gaining greater research grants, which is the cornerstone of the denialists argument, and an argument which is so obviously contrived as to make all that follows inevitably dubious.

Consider the possibility that for several decades, thousands upon thousands of independent, scientists, from diverse political, social, and geographic roots, all combine to work toward the same conclusion, and all agree on the critical elements of that conclusion, submitting their scientific work for peer review and scrutiny at the highest level, are all secretly colluding to perpetrate a scam upon humanity for the chance of gaining extra funding, and not one of these thousands has ever become disgruntled enough to expose the scam they are supposedly involved in????
It really is one of the silliest conspiracy theories that one could imagine, yet that silly conspiracy theory is still promoted as the cornerstone upon which denialists build their claimed scepticism upon.

The truth is that as each year passes, any doubts about the legitimacy of the science behind the whole study of Climate Change, becomes more diminished, and every new study adds more weight to their arguments, to the point where no legitimate scientists seriously question the core findings of the IPCC.

There will certainly be small disagreements over certain aspects from time to time, but that is to be expected when all studies are held up for rigorous examination, and this is a good thing, because that way any errors can be corrected sooner, rather than later.

So as a layman, with no scientific credentials, I am presented with the choice of accepting the findings of the most experienced and respected scientists in their field, or to choose to reject their advice, and seek justification for doing so by taking to heart the ranting of some politically motivated extremists.

It is a NO CONTEST for me, I would not go to a faith healer for open heart surgery, I would certainly not put money into the pokies, for my superannuation investments, and I would not go to radio commentators for the best scientific information about Climate change.

All of a sudden no one wants to examine SORENS PORT PHILLIP BAY THOUGHT EXPERIMENT: I WONDER WHY!    

Deathrides has just received a timeout for font and smiley abuse, inane repetition, and frankly, just being annoying.

mozzaok wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 2:34pm:



But nowhere in all this marvellous disquisition is any argument offered against Jones's numbers, is there? His numbers are correct, yes?

One shiny star for the missing the the point completely.

I don't think anyone could have missed it more decisively than you have today.

Well done, my pseudo-intellectual message board jockey.

Honestly, your missing-the-point work today has been breathtaking.

If I had access to fireworks, I would be firing them off right now; so rare an occasion it is that someone misses the point like you have.

Take a bow sir.  

Dismissing people who don't agree with your views on climate change as delusional and brainwashed seems like a fairly childish way to try and "win" an argument.

Luke Fowler wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 10:05pm:



There's a guy posting also as Luke Fowler who said this not long ago:
Luke Fowler wrote on Mar 31^st, 2011 at 6:30pm:



Are you two related?

Soren wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 3:53pm:



If I put one drop of arsenic in a bucket of water would you drink it???