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chicken_lipsforme Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7090 Townsville NQ Gender:	Re: Jones lies about climate Reply #75 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 11:57am Somehow Jones's pesky mathematical computations are not in dispute.
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Re: Jones lies about climate
Reply #76 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:00pm

Luke Fowler wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 10:32pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 10:15pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 10:05pm:

One shiny star for the missing the the point completely.

I don't think anyone could have missed it more decisively than you have today.

Well done, my pseudo-intellectual message board jockey.

Honestly, your missing-the-point work today has been breathtaking.

If I had access to fireworks, I would be firing them off right now; so rare an occasion it is that someone misses the point like you have.

Take a bow sir.

There's a guy posting also as Luke Fowler who said this not long ago:
Luke Fowler wrote on Mar 31^st, 2011 at 6:30pm:

Dismissing people who don't agree with your views on climate change as delusional and brainwashed seems like a fairly childish way to try and "win" an argument.

Are you two related?

You can still disagree with a point of view and understand it at the same time. Funny you missed the point about me telling you you had missed the point.

Is that a double-whammy? Well done.

Good to see you are following me around though.

Also, I applaud you for removing the Kierkegaard picture.

You having that as your avatar was just embarrassing for every one.

Let's face it, you aren't exactly a mental giant, and copying a picture off wikipedia isn't going to change this.

Here's the part where you start questioning my sexuality like you did last time you were made to look like a dunce.

Carry on.

You couldn't make a coherent point to save your life. All you can do is switch the subject to my avatar and your sexuality.

Jones's central point was the insignificance of the numbers. The article in response to it was just a load of emoting about everything except Jones's point: the insignificance of the numbers.

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Re: Jones lies about climate
Reply #77 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:19pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:01am:

Soren wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 3:53pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 11:58am:

The "FAULT" with the statistics that Jones is promoting, does not rest with the numbers, but with the FALSE conclusion, that because they are small numbers, they prove that there are no negative consequences attached to them.
The best liars always base their deception on facts, but that does not mean their intent was ever anything but to deceive.

Oh, I see. Small amounts, big consequences. SO if you go and piss into Port Philip Bay every day, eventually it will warm up. It must be so, after all, nobody is taking the p!ss out of the bay.

If I put one drop of arsenic in a bucket of water would you drink it???
Wink

One drop of arsenic...from a standard eye dropper into a normal household bucket (18 or 20 litres)????

Sure I would...you'd receive a larger dose from eating normal supermarket (non organic) fruits and veges...

Probably more from a pack of cigarettes..(or have they cut arsenic from tobacco production nowadays??)

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Reply #78 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:23pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:19pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:01am:

Soren wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 3:53pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 11:58am:

The "FAULT" with the statistics that Jones is promoting, does not rest with the numbers, but with the FALSE conclusion, that because they are small numbers, they prove that there are no negative consequences attached to them.
The best liars always base their deception on facts, but that does not mean their intent was ever anything but to deceive.

Oh, I see. Small amounts, big consequences. SO if you go and piss into Port Philip Bay every day, eventually it will warm up. It must be so, after all, nobody is taking the p!ss out of the bay.

If I put one drop of arsenic in a bucket of water would you drink it???
Wink

One drop of arsenic...from a standard eye dropper into a normal household bucket (18 or 20 litres)????

Sure I would...you'd receive a larger dose from eating normal supermarket (non organic) fruits and veges...

Probably more from a pack of cigarettes..(or have they cut arsenic from tobacco production nowadays??)

So small numbers mean insignificance.
Does that mean we as a country are insignificant seeing our 22 million population is barely a large city in a lot of countries world wide?

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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: Jones lies about climate Reply #79 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:26pm You know there's only 2 to 3 grams of yeast in a loaf of bread? Why the bugger do they bother? Do I need to go on or has the idiocy of your "it's so small it doesn't matter" argument sunk in?
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Jones lies about climate Reply #80 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:28pm Luke Fowler wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 10:35pm: Here's a hint, he does not dispute the figures. That's just what the more perceptive fraternity around here has been pointing out, drongo, before your farcical entry from stage left. The point Jones was making was not disputed.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Jones lies about climate Reply #81 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:29pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:26pm: You know there's only 2 to 3 grams of yeast in a loaf of bread? Why the bugger do they bother? Do I need to go on or has the idiocy of your "it's so small it doesn't matter" argument sunk in? Hold your breath then. Every little bit counts.
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Reply #82 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:30pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:19pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:01am:

Soren wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 3:53pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 11:58am:

The "FAULT" with the statistics that Jones is promoting, does not rest with the numbers, but with the FALSE conclusion, that because they are small numbers, they prove that there are no negative consequences attached to them.
The best liars always base their deception on facts, but that does not mean their intent was ever anything but to deceive.

Oh, I see. Small amounts, big consequences. SO if you go and piss into Port Philip Bay every day, eventually it will warm up. It must be so, after all, nobody is taking the p!ss out of the bay.

If I put one drop of arsenic in a bucket of water would you drink it???
Wink

One drop of arsenic...from a standard eye dropper into a normal household bucket (18 or 20 litres)????

Sure I would...you'd receive a larger dose from eating normal supermarket (non organic) fruits and veges...

Probably more from a pack of cigarettes..(or have they cut arsenic from tobacco production nowadays??)

So small numbers mean insignificance.
Does that mean we as a country are insignificant seeing our 22 million population is barely a large city in a lot of countries world wide?

By that logic, it makes one wonder why Big Tobacco invests so much in political lobbying in Australia - and why they give a smack about the recent moves towards plain-cum-disgusting packaging of cancer sticks...

Surely, they could pull out of the Australian market altogether and make barely a dent in their profits!?

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Reply #83 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:31pm

Soren wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:29pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:26pm:

You know there's only 2 to 3 grams of yeast in a loaf of bread?
Why the bugger do they bother?
Do I need to go on or has the idiocy of your "it's so small it doesn't matter" argument sunk in?

Hold your breath then. Every little bit counts.

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SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Boring!

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Reply #84 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:32pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:26pm:

You know there's only 2 to 3 grams of yeast in a loaf of bread?
Why the bugger do they bother?
Do I need to go on or has the idiocy of your "it's so small it doesn't matter" argument sunk in?

The difference is bread doesn't rise without that yeast smithy.
Without the yeast, the bread would fall as flat as the governments air tax arguement.

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Reply #85 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:34pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:19pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:01am:

Soren wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 3:53pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 11:58am:

The "FAULT" with the statistics that Jones is promoting, does not rest with the numbers, but with the FALSE conclusion, that because they are small numbers, they prove that there are no negative consequences attached to them.
The best liars always base their deception on facts, but that does not mean their intent was ever anything but to deceive.

Oh, I see. Small amounts, big consequences. SO if you go and piss into Port Philip Bay every day, eventually it will warm up. It must be so, after all, nobody is taking the p!ss out of the bay.

If I put one drop of arsenic in a bucket of water would you drink it???
Wink

One drop of arsenic...from a standard eye dropper into a normal household bucket (18 or 20 litres)????

Sure I would...you'd receive a larger dose from eating normal supermarket (non organic) fruits and veges...

Probably more from a pack of cigarettes..(or have they cut arsenic from tobacco production nowadays??)

So small numbers mean insignificance.
Does that mean we as a country are insignificant seeing our 22 million population is barely a large city in a lot of countries world wide?

BINGO...

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #86 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:35pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:32pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:26pm:

You know there's only 2 to 3 grams of yeast in a loaf of bread?
Why the bugger do they bother?
Do I need to go on or has the idiocy of your "it's so small it doesn't matter" argument sunk in?

The difference is bread doesn't rise without that yeast smithy.
Without the yeast, the bread would fall as flat as the governments air tax arguement.

Thank you for stating the obvious, now what happens if we put 3.5 grams of yeast into that loaf?
its only 0.5 of a gram surely that won't make any difference to the quality of the bread.

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Reply #87 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:37pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:26pm:

You know there's only 2 to 3 grams of yeast in a loaf of bread?
Why the bugger do they bother?
Do I need to go on or has the idiocy of your "it's so small it doesn't matter" argument sunk in?

Are you saying there is 2 - 3 grams of yeast that we added compared to 97 grams of naturally occuring yeast. They dont do that. Use a different example.

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Reply #88 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:41pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:35pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:32pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:26pm:

You know there's only 2 to 3 grams of yeast in a loaf of bread?
Why the bugger do they bother?
Do I need to go on or has the idiocy of your "it's so small it doesn't matter" argument sunk in?

The difference is bread doesn't rise without that yeast smithy.
Without the yeast, the bread would fall as flat as the governments air tax arguement.

Thank you for stating the obvious, now what happens if we put 3.5 grams of yeast into that loaf?
its only 0.5 of a gram surely that won't make any difference to the quality of the bread.

Another problem with this example is that you are assuming that CO2 has the driving force of yeast and that CO2 is the actual driver in the first place.

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Reply #89 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:42pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:37pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 12:26pm:

You know there's only 2 to 3 grams of yeast in a loaf of bread?
Why the bugger do they bother?
Do I need to go on or has the idiocy of your "it's so small it doesn't matter" argument sunk in?

Are you saying there is 2 - 3 grams of yeast that we added compared to 97 grams of naturally occuring yeast. They dont do that. Use a different example.

Why afraid a few lightbulbs might be going on with the mentally challenged with that simple comparison.
Especially with everyone glued to MasterChef we see how small amounts over or under can totally ruin the whole.

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