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Reply #105 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:29pm

Luke Fowler wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:21pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:14pm:

Please delete wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 3:44pm:

"The ‘Great Climate Debate’ is anything but a debate. "

Is this a "straw man"?

Where did the expression "great climate debate" come from? Longies imagination?

in a thread that has played host to some dumb comments THIS one must surely be the stupidest. unless you have lived under a rock - and it seems you do - CLIMATE is the GREAT DEBATE of the time.

... only for those who wish to ignore the vast weight of scientific consensus. The rest of us have moved on to how.

I notice that anyone that disagrees with your position is merely an idiot. Why not go the whole hog and call them Nazis?

so you are truly going to contend that there ISNT a climate debate??? that is really your position?? maybe there isnt in the arts commuity but in the science community there IS.

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Reply #106 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:32pm

astro_surf wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:23pm:

More like the MASS DEBATE. The denialosphere is just one great big circle jerk that has nothing to do with reality.

and every time you post - EVERY TIME - you prove the point raised in the OP. you have no tolerance for disagreement with your position no matter who it is. You assaasinate the characters of some of the worls foremost scientist all because YOU - a nobody - dont agree.

you are totally unable to hold anything even approximating a debate or discussion on a controversial topic without rushing to the barricades of your own limited an unchangable view. The same people that mock religion for its unchangable doctines do the same in matters like this.

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astro_surf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2981	Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism Reply #107 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:33pm longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:29pm: t in the science community there IS. No, there isn't.
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Reply #108 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:35pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:32pm:

astro_surf wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:23pm:

More like the MASS DEBATE. The denialosphere is just one great big circle jerk that has nothing to do with reality.

and every time you post - EVERY TIME - you prove the point raised in the OP. you have no tolerance for disagreement with your position no matter who it is. You assaasinate the characters of some of the worls foremost scientist all because YOU - a nobody - dont agree.

you are totally unable to hold anything even approximating a debate or discussion on a controversial topic without rushing to the barricades of your own limited an unchangable view. The same people that mock religion for its unchangable doctines do the same in matters like this.

No, I've just given up bothering to have a reasonable with people who outright deny evidence when it is shown to them.

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So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #109 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:36pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:32pm:

astro_surf wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:23pm:

More like the MASS DEBATE. The denialosphere is just one great big circle jerk that has nothing to do with reality.

and every time you post - EVERY TIME - you prove the point raised in the OP. you have no tolerance for disagreement with your position no matter who it is. You assaasinate the characters of some of the worls foremost scientist all because YOU - a nobody - dont agree.

you are totally unable to hold anything even approximating a debate or discussion on a controversial topic without rushing to the barricades of your own limited an unchangable view. The same people that mock religion for its unchangable doctines do the same in matters like this.

He's holding something all right LW, just wish he'd wash his hands and give it a rest.
He must have gone blind from doing that all day & night, which explains why he cant read expert commentary from the world's elading scientists.

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #110 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:37pm

astro_surf wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:29pm:

t in the science community there IS.

No, there isn't.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/poll_scientists.gif

the very existance of groups that have to push the CC barrow against the scientists who oppose it disproves your idiotic opinion.

majority support of ANYTHING does not mean the issue is resolved or that the majority is right. Science has a long history of the majority of scientiests being dead wrong. it is part of the iterative process of science that any theory - even an established one - is subject to modification, revision or overthrow. Physics is full of that. But somehow climate science - a barely studied science compared to the majors - shoudl be immune from majority-held error.

that is arrogant presumption and a recipe for disaster and mistake.

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Reply #111 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:39pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:14pm:

Please delete wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 3:44pm:

"The ‘Great Climate Debate’ is anything but a debate. "

Is this a "straw man"?

Where did the expression "great climate debate" come from? Longies imagination?

in a thread that has played host to some dumb comments THIS one must surely be the stupidest. unless you have lived under a rock - and it seems you do - CLIMATE is the GREAT DEBATE of the time.

Maybe so. You are a capable writer, and you put the phrase in quotes, thereby referring to something outside of your post. Your whole argument hinges on the existence of THE "Great Climate Debate".

My question stands.

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Reply #112 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:39pm

astro_surf wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:32pm:

astro_surf wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:23pm:

More like the MASS DEBATE. The denialosphere is just one great big circle jerk that has nothing to do with reality.

and every time you post - EVERY TIME - you prove the point raised in the OP. you have no tolerance for disagreement with your position no matter who it is. You assaasinate the characters of some of the worls foremost scientist all because YOU - a nobody - dont agree.

you are totally unable to hold anything even approximating a debate or discussion on a controversial topic without rushing to the barricades of your own limited an unchangable view. The same people that mock religion for its unchangable doctines do the same in matters like this.

No, I've just given up bothering to have a reasonable with people who outright deny evidence when it is shown to them.

You cant debate. you only throw mud at anyone who has 1% variance with your opinion. if u even studied science and learned from places other then the internet you might recognise the stupidiity of adopting a position that does not allow dissent of any kind. thats not science. it is religion - nothing more.

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Reply #113 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:42pm

Please delete wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:14pm:

Please delete wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 3:44pm:

"The ‘Great Climate Debate’ is anything but a debate. "

Is this a "straw man"?

Where did the expression "great climate debate" come from? Longies imagination?

in a thread that has played host to some dumb comments THIS one must surely be the stupidest. unless you have lived under a rock - and it seems you do - CLIMATE is the GREAT DEBATE of the time.

Maybe so. You are a capable writer, and you put the phrase in quotes, thereby referring to something outside of your post. Your whole argument hinges on the existence of THE "Great Climate Debate".

My question stands.

Well I dont know how anyone could possibly prove to you that a Climate Debate exists. It is like proving the existance of air. if you need proof of that then you are clearly too stupid to understand the answer.

Of course there is a climate debate. You are actually in the middle of one!!

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Reply #114 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:48pm

I agree there is "a" great climate debate.

There are many.

But you refered to THE debate.

Like referring to"The Thriller in Manila" or "The Great Rock & Roll Swindle".

One is "a" boxing match, the other "a" movie.

AS for the various arguments about CC - one side is right, and the other calls their childish tantrums "The Debate".

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Reply #115 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:51pm

Please delete wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:48pm:

I agree there is "a" great climate debate.

There are many.

But you refered to THE debate.

Like referring to"The Thriller in Manila" or "The Great Rock & Roll Swindle".

One is "a" boxing match, the other "a" movie.

AS for the various arguments about CC - one side is right, and the other calls their childish tantrums "The Debate".

Well well well! You actually DO have a skill after all! PEDANTRY.

in a long thread your only contribution is this??? i might oppose many of the viewpoints expressed in this thread but yours is... worthless.

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Reply #116 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:53pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:37pm:

majority support of ANYTHING does not mean the issue is resolved or that the majority is right.

But you just said a majority of scientists don't believe in AGW. Now that you've been proved wrong your saying a majority is irrelevant? THIS is why arguing with you idiots is such a waste of time!

Better to just point and laugh at your glaring logical inconsistencies!

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Reply #117 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:55pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:39pm:

You cant debate. you only throw mud at anyone who has 1% variance with your opinion. if u even studied science and learned from places other then the internet you might recognise the stupidiity of adopting a position that does not allow dissent of any kind. thats not science. it is religion - nothing more.

You can dissent... In a peer reviewed journal. Anything else is opinionated gibberish that has no bearing whatsoever on the scientific "debate" and can be dismisse dout of hand.

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Reply #118 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:57pm

astro_surf wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:37pm:

majority support of ANYTHING does not mean the issue is resolved or that the majority is right.

But you just said a majority of scientists don't believe in AGW. Now that you've been proved wrong your saying a majority is irrelevant? THIS is why arguing with you idiots is such a waste of time!

Better to just point and laugh at your glaring logical inconsistencies!

actually i didnt. I actually said that being in the majority does not make you RIGHT. consensus does not automatically imply you are corrrect. Einstein said precisley that himself when opposed by 300 scientists. consensus is compelling. it does not however impute truth.

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Reply #119 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 6:01pm

astro_surf wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:55pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:39pm:

You cant debate. you only throw mud at anyone who has 1% variance with your opinion. if u even studied science and learned from places other then the internet you might recognise the stupidiity of adopting a position that does not allow dissent of any kind. thats not science. it is religion - nothing more.

You can dissent... In a peer reviewed journal. Anything else is opinionated gibberish that has no bearing whatsoever on the scientific "debate" and can be dismisse dout of hand.

oh no you cant. it has already been well established that there are problems witht he peer review process that has lead to articles not being published simply because they disagreed with CC.

any since Im a glutton for punishment why dont you actully refer to the OP and post a reply based on the polarisatin of the debate. do you even understand that polarisation means? do you accept variant opinions from the IPCC gospel? oh and BTW the IPCC itself now doesnt believe portions of its last report. But you criticiced people then for disagreeing and now the IPCC has said OOPS WE WERE WRONG.

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