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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #210 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:18pm

stryder wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 6:56pm:

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However, as I have said many times, IT IS ABOUT THE BALANCE!

HEY PERCEPTIONS, DIDNT KEVIN RUDD SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT GETTING THE BALANCE RIGHT IN THE 2007 ELECTION

And look how far that got him, it left him in tears ??????? Grin

And that's possibly how it will end, for us, if we don't get the balance correct!

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #211 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:19pm

Those who accept the current, commonly agreed, and little understood facts regarding climate change, can come from any walk of life, and any political persuasion, but it seems that these wacky warmists, are to a man, extreme left wing loons, which speaks volumes about their position being politically motivated, rather than a position based on any level of honest scepticism, or even of intellectual integrity.
Maybe there are a few other extremist conspirinuts, who fall outside of the "extreme" left category, but they most definitely fall in as definite loons.

None but absolute fools reject out of hand, the best available fed to us advice, in any field, where high level alarmism and extremism, is available.

Cheesy

Better mozzaok? Perhaps Nazi Germany would be more comfortable for you?

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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism Reply #212 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:28pm Better Crowther, and think yourrself lucky it is not Nazi Germany, or you would be the first to go. The point is honesty, express your opinions as strongly as you like, but do so openly and honestly, and you will have no problems here.
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Luke Fowler Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 320 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism Reply #213 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:29pm Jason Crowther wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:19pm: Better mozzaok? Perhaps Nazi Germany would be more comfortable for you? Ah. reductio ad Nazium. The last refuge of the intellectually bereft.
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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #214 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:32pm

Luke Fowler wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:29pm:

Jason Crowther wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:19pm:

Better mozzaok? Perhaps Nazi Germany would be more comfortable for you?

Ah. reductio ad Nazium. The last refuge of the intellectually bereft.

I think the point was, that I could but change a few words and mozzaoks basis for an argument was reduced to what it always was.

Rhetorical bulldust

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #215 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:34pm

Actually Luke, he is just new, and probably did not realise I was a mod, and would have the ability to delete his post, which provided his "parody" of my post, as a direct quote from mozzaok.
I think the fact that his post was deleted seemed draconian to him, hence the nazi slur, but I think we can cut him some slack, and let him find his feet here, before we get too upset about things.
He may surprise us, and only be a nitwit about denialism, because the sad fact is the denialist PR machine has conned quite a few good folk, who have pretty sound thinking on other issues, we will have to see what unfolds.

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #216 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:35pm

Jason Crowther wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:32pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:29pm:

Jason Crowther wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:19pm:

Better mozzaok? Perhaps Nazi Germany would be more comfortable for you?

Ah. reductio ad Nazium. The last refuge of the intellectually bereft.

I think the point was, that I could but change a few words and mozzaoks basis for an argument was reduced to what it always was.

Rhetorical bulldust

I think it shows you are unable to actually mount a coherent argument yourself and resort to childish tactics like changing other people's quotes around to try and mask the fact that you have nothing.

It's been done before a million times on message boards. You aren't even an original simpleton.

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #217 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:37pm

Jason Crowther wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:32pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:29pm:

Jason Crowther wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:19pm:

Better mozzaok? Perhaps Nazi Germany would be more comfortable for you?

Ah. reductio ad Nazium. The last refuge of the intellectually bereft.

I think the point was, that I could but change a few words and mozzaoks basis for an argument was reduced to what it always was.

Rhetorical bulldust

Yes it did seem a biased statement and a little swapping around could have been a righty tighty talkin.

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #218 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:38pm

mozzaok wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:34pm:

Actually Luke, he is just new, and probably did not realise I was a mod, and would have the ability to delete his post, which provided his "parody" of my post, as a direct quote from mozzaok.
I think the fact that his post was deleted seemed draconian to him, hence the nazi slur, but I think we can cut him some slack, and let him find his feet here, before we get too upset about things.
He may surprise us, and only be a nitwit about denialism, because the sad fact is the denialist PR machine has conned quite a few good folk, who have pretty sound thinking on other issues, we will have to see what unfolds.

I think you will be disappointed. I've read a few of the other comments he has made.

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #219 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:39pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 4:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 4:30pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 2:43pm:

I'm a little confused longie, what's your actual position? You say you're not a denier, and yet you're against both lib and lab policies? So, what's your thought for action if you agree to believe that climate change may in fact be human caused?

My position is (and thanks for asking since you are the first to post actuall yonthe topic) is that I believe humans affect climate but NOT catastrophically. I do not beleive that we affect - or have the capacity to affect - climate in any significant manner. the earths biosphere is a self-repairing one and one that responds well to challenges made to it. I do not believe that we are altering climate outside its normal range. Thais does not mean I dont think we should be cleaner and less pollutting. but CO2 is NOT a pollutant whereas black carbon is and is 1000 times as dangerous to glaciers than CO2.

With the earth cycles and solar forcing being the biggest challenges to the earth climate wise, the earth would have to be self repairing. I highly doubt that the earth is constantly teatering on the edge when there is so much diversity to what can cool and warm it. With AGW being 0.117% of all greenhouse effect and the fearmongers saying this somehow forces the earth to warm uncontrollably is saying the earth is not only teatering over the edge but teatering far worse than we could imagine .

What on earth do you mean by "repair"? You say that like there is some climatic equilibrium. there's not. The climate system responds to forcings, period, evolution can adapt to that and life goes on but the bioshpere doesn't "repair". That is one of the stupidest notions I've heard you come up with.

Yes, life goes on, but not necessarily in any sort of environment in any way suitable for human civilisation to thrive or survive.

And if CO2 DOESN'T heat the planet, then why aren't we a frozen ball of ice? There is no way whatsoever that solar forcing is anything close to being enough to keep the planet the temperature that it is.

Seriously, go learn some BASIC freaking geology before opening your mouth

http://www.ucar.edu/learn/1_3_1.htm

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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism Reply #220 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:40pm How dare you imply that I may be biased against denialists, just because I think they are pathetic, dishonest, morons.
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Jason Crowther Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 90	Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism Reply #221 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:40pm progressiveslol wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:37pm: Yes it did seem a biased statement and a little swapping around could have been a righty tighty talkin. Exactly. It would seem that the small minded are only interested in seeing their own rhetoric
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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #222 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:42pm

Luke Fowler wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:38pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:34pm:

Actually Luke, he is just new, and probably did not realise I was a mod, and would have the ability to delete his post, which provided his "parody" of my post, as a direct quote from mozzaok.
I think the fact that his post was deleted seemed draconian to him, hence the nazi slur, but I think we can cut him some slack, and let him find his feet here, before we get too upset about things.
He may surprise us, and only be a nitwit about denialism, because the sad fact is the denialist PR machine has conned quite a few good folk, who have pretty sound thinking on other issues, we will have to see what unfolds.

I think you will be disappointed. I've read a few of the other comments he has made.

Quick, you better ban me because I don't conform to your way of thinking.

Isn't that the way your kind deals with dissenting views?

*edit* PS I have made 8 posts and already you are hunting me down Luke. Why is that?

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #223 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:46pm

astro_surf wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:39pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 4:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 4:30pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 2:43pm:

I'm a little confused longie, what's your actual position? You say you're not a denier, and yet you're against both lib and lab policies? So, what's your thought for action if you agree to believe that climate change may in fact be human caused?

My position is (and thanks for asking since you are the first to post actuall yonthe topic) is that I believe humans affect climate but NOT catastrophically. I do not beleive that we affect - or have the capacity to affect - climate in any significant manner. the earths biosphere is a self-repairing one and one that responds well to challenges made to it. I do not believe that we are altering climate outside its normal range. Thais does not mean I dont think we should be cleaner and less pollutting. but CO2 is NOT a pollutant whereas black carbon is and is 1000 times as dangerous to glaciers than CO2.

With the earth cycles and solar forcing being the biggest challenges to the earth climate wise, the earth would have to be self repairing. I highly doubt that the earth is constantly teatering on the edge when there is so much diversity to what can cool and warm it. With AGW being 0.117% of all greenhouse effect and the fearmongers saying this somehow forces the earth to warm uncontrollably is saying the earth is not only teatering over the edge but teatering far worse than we could imagine .

What on earth do you mean by "repair"? You say that like there is some climatic equilibrium. there's not. The climate system responds to forcings, period, evolution can adapt to that and life goes on but the bioshpere doesn't "repair". That is one of the stupidest notions I've heard you come up with.

Yes, life goes on, but not necessarily in any sort of environment in any way suitable for human civilisation to thrive or survive.

And if CO2 DOESN'T heat the planet, then why aren't we a frozen ball of ice? There is no way whatsoever that solar forcing is anything close to being enough to keep the planet the temperature that it is.

Seriously, go learn some BASIC freaking geology before opening your mouth

http://www.ucar.edu/learn/1_3_1.htm

Lucky for us we have water. But you didnt know that. Hey look everyone. Water is almost 100% of the greenhouse effect, keeping us warm as well as cooling us down.

Seriously, go learn some BASIC freaking geology before opening your mouth

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #224 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:46pm

stryder wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 6:19pm:

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Well, if you survive the Venus heat, I hope your lungs are huge, because inhaling 96% CO2 "MAY" be hazardous to your health?

NOR DOES IT DENY THAT CO2 IS ONE OF THE ESSENTIAL SEVEN GASES THAT MAKES LIFE POSSIBLE ON EARTH, TRUE OR NOT PERCEPTIONS ?????

SODIUM CHLORIDE IS ONE OF THE ESSENTIAL MINERALS THAT ALLOW YOU TO LIVE BUT TOO MUCH OF IT WILL GIVE YOUR HYPERTENSION AND LEAD TO HEART DISEASE.

GLUCOSE IS AN ESSENTIAL NEUROTRANSMITTER BUT TOO MUCH OF IT WILL LEAD TO DIABETES

WATER IS ESSENTIAL TO LIFE BUT IF YOU DRINK TOO MUCH IT YOU CAN KILL YOUR ARSE.

THERE ARE LOT'S OF THINGS THAT ARE ESSENTIAL IN SMALL AMOUNTS AND DEADLY IF YOU TAKE TOO MUCH, YOU DOLT.

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&

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