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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #255 - Jun 6^th, 2011 at 11:10pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 10:53pm:

Equitist wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 9:16pm:

Humanity as a whole has become dangerously out-of-touch with its own life-giving environment - and it is time that our species reconsidered its relationship with the planet - and preferably before we collectively-trigger a catastrophic explosion of unprecedented and self-escalating environmental reactions...

In its bizarre quest to conquer, control, plunder and accumulate, humanity has been wantonly destructive and wasteful - and has left enormous permanent scars on our landscape - and on aquatic systems and marinescapes too...

In the process, humanity has also been uniquely responsible for the rapid demise of countless plant and animal species - and biotic communities - and the speedy rise of a narrow range of both 'useful' species and many outright 'pests'...

Over the past few hundred years - and decades in particular - these impacts have been compounding and expanding at an exponential rate...

It is true that the environment changes in a dynamic fashion - but we must be mindful that natural processes rarely respond in the manner that we would want when we make such dramatic and widespread changes as we have been making...

It is also true that humanity has amassed invaluable knowledge and technology - but we should not be so arrogant as to presume that we can use same to control nature's grave responses to some of our most reckless actions...

To date, those nations who have been most responsible for harming the planet have demonstrated an unwillingness to make compromises in their relationship with the environment and/or the peoples of other nations...

Those dominant nations need to be told that they cannot continue to wantonly rob and poo in their own nests - nor can they be allowed to continue to plunder and pollute the nests of other nations, nor the future nests of their descendants...

We humans are smart enough to identify what damage has been done and to reasonably-predict the likely medium and longer-term consequences - but first we must ditch the arrogance, find some humility and compassion and take some responsibility for doing what must be done to prevent mass Darwin Awards...

Notably, we must stop worshiping the insatiable 'Growth Fairy' - and his evil twin the 'Good Greedy Witch of the West' - and their Mickey Mouse Monopoly Money!

Ahem!!!! That's the end of the brain explosion for the time being....

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All good if we travel to fairyland and forget China and India exist or believe they are reducing. What you speak of is nobel I guess but you cant save your own little corner while the giant is awake and pillaging.

Oh, McGill...you've done it again...

Seriously, but...it is neither fair nor responsible to blame India and China for bringing their people out of the dark ages - especially when denying responsibility for addressing the ongoing destruction, waste and pollution being perpetrated upon the planet by (and on behalf of) the prosperous so-called Western World...

BTW, I would suggest that it would be more efficient to address the issue of wanton over-consumption - which would in turn reduce the energy involved in pandering to such wantonness but that seems to be politically off-limits in the current Growth Fairy worshiping paradigm...

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Lamenting the shift in the Australian psyche, away from the egalitarian ideal of the fair-go - and the rise of short-sighted pollies, who worship the 'Growth Fairy' and seek to divide and conquer!

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #256 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 12:47am

Equitist wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 11:10pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 10:53pm:

Equitist wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 9:16pm:

Humanity as a whole has become dangerously out-of-touch with its own life-giving environment - and it is time that our species reconsidered its relationship with the planet - and preferably before we collectively-trigger a catastrophic explosion of unprecedented and self-escalating environmental reactions...

In its bizarre quest to conquer, control, plunder and accumulate, humanity has been wantonly destructive and wasteful - and has left enormous permanent scars on our landscape - and on aquatic systems and marinescapes too...

In the process, humanity has also been uniquely responsible for the rapid demise of countless plant and animal species - and biotic communities - and the speedy rise of a narrow range of both 'useful' species and many outright 'pests'...

Over the past few hundred years - and decades in particular - these impacts have been compounding and expanding at an exponential rate...

It is true that the environment changes in a dynamic fashion - but we must be mindful that natural processes rarely respond in the manner that we would want when we make such dramatic and widespread changes as we have been making...

It is also true that humanity has amassed invaluable knowledge and technology - but we should not be so arrogant as to presume that we can use same to control nature's grave responses to some of our most reckless actions...

To date, those nations who have been most responsible for harming the planet have demonstrated an unwillingness to make compromises in their relationship with the environment and/or the peoples of other nations...

Those dominant nations need to be told that they cannot continue to wantonly rob and poo in their own nests - nor can they be allowed to continue to plunder and pollute the nests of other nations, nor the future nests of their descendants...

We humans are smart enough to identify what damage has been done and to reasonably-predict the likely medium and longer-term consequences - but first we must ditch the arrogance, find some humility and compassion and take some responsibility for doing what must be done to prevent mass Darwin Awards...

Notably, we must stop worshiping the insatiable 'Growth Fairy' - and his evil twin the 'Good Greedy Witch of the West' - and their Mickey Mouse Monopoly Money!

Ahem!!!! That's the end of the brain explosion for the time being....

Embarrassed

All good if we travel to fairyland and forget China and India exist or believe they are reducing. What you speak of is nobel I guess but you cant save your own little corner while the giant is awake and pillaging.

Oh, McGill...you've done it again...

Seriously, but...it is neither fair nor responsible to blame India and China for bringing their people out of the dark ages - especially when denying responsibility for addressing the ongoing destruction, waste and pollution being perpetrated upon the planet by (and on behalf of) the prosperous so-called Western World...

BTW, I would suggest that it would be more efficient to address the issue of wanton over-consumption - which would in turn reduce the energy involved in pandering to such wantonness but that seems to be politically off-limits in the current Growth Fairy worshiping paradigm...

You say that and all that does for me is to say "what the hell are you nuts on about as if we have to do something NOW because we are doomed" and then you say, "but thats ok that China grows their CO2 output and is the biggest polluter on the globe" That just adds up to naught. Nothing. Doomed.

Do you even realise (no offense on this one) how stupid that sounds.

Your point just points to environmentalism and social justice. There is nothing about saving the planet in your statement. If we have a 1000 years without a worry, then i can understand, but that is not what we are being told by the AGW crowd.

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #257 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 3:00am

Equitist wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 11:10pm:

Seriously, but...it is neither fair nor responsible to blame India and China for bringing their people out of the dark ages - especially when denying responsibility for addressing the ongoing destruction, waste and pollution being perpetrated upon the planet by (and on behalf of) the prosperous so-called Western World...

There's that guilt complex that seems to shape most left wing policies showing again.

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #259 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 8:17am

creep wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 5:46am:

Still no sign of any man made emissions impacting on Queensland rains.

And Flannery spruiked and scaremongered that Queensland would never get get any dam filling rains again.

Pssst Tim, the dams are 100% full - dams are spilling from the rain!
Cheesy

Guess the "global warming" is causing the rain now
LOL

Tim Flannelmouth explained this particular aberation when he said "boo hoo, dribble, dribble, blah blar sniff, look at my tears".

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #260 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 9:24am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 7:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 4:30pm:

My position is (and thanks for asking since you are the first to post actuall yonthe topic) is that I believe humans affect climate but NOT catastrophically. I do not beleive that we affect - or have the capacity to affect - climate in any significant manner. the earths biosphere is a self-repairing one and one that responds well to challenges made to it. I do not believe that we are altering climate outside its normal range. Thais does not mean I dont think we should be cleaner and less pollutting. but CO2 is NOT a pollutant whereas black carbon is and is 1000 times as dangerous to glaciers than CO2.

I'll make a small reference to the ozone layer, to talk about the biosphere. And as for the biosphere, I agree it repairs itself: but only when situations return to normal levels. It doesn't go about fixing itself through re-adjustment.

From my point of view I agree whole heartedly that the science is definitely not finalised and there is still a lot more study to be done. However, I believe in not waiting to the last minute, or putting all my eggs in one basket. Instead, while there is still not a complete fact regarding to the effects of human caused climate change, wouldn't you agree that some action is needed? Policies like the carbon tax are not the all out solution, and NOONE claimed it was. Overreacting it does not. Overreacting would be enacting the complete greens policy. In this case, it's looking at medium terms solutions until such time as science becomes more and more clear.

Makes more sense then betting all odds on one side.

I must admit to being gobsmacked by the rationality of your post! it is a rarity on these boards. I strongly support reduction in pollution and in the promotion of renewable energy. I do not however see CO2 as a pollutant and ive lived thru too many 'end of the world' scenarios before to be easily sucked into this one. Im all for reducing all forms of pollutino and environmental damage but i dont subscribe to the hysteria and intimidation of the AGW scam.

Pre-emptive action of the size and cost of the proposed ones needs to be based on better evidence that the current crop of 0% predictive success and controversy.

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #261 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 9:26am

mozzaok wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 7:59pm:

Those who accept the current, commonly agreed, and understood facts regarding climate change, can come from any walk of life, and any political persuasion, but it seems that these wacky Denialists, are to a man, extreme right wing loons, which speaks volumes about their position being politically motivated, rather than a position based on any level of honest scepticism, or even of intellectual integrity.
Maybe there are a few other extremist conspirinuts, who fall outside of the "extreme" right category, but they most definitely fall in as definite loons.

None but absolute fools reject out of hand, the best available expert advice, in any field, where high level expertise, is available.

I was waiting for you to put in your two extremists cents worth. Nothing like your last sentence to firmly put you in the extremist category. Pity every single one of the hysterics predictions have failed to materialise. how are thjose 6M sea level rises going. Are you copign withthe 50million climate refugees in your backyard?

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #262 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 9:29am

mozzaok wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:11pm:

Crowther, do not attempt to rewrite my posts, and not make it obvious that it is you who are trying to distort what I said.
If you use the quote function, do not change the material being quoted, as that is dishonest.
Obviously dishonesty is stock in trade for denialists, but it won't work on my posts, and if I see you do it again, you will receive a 24 hr ban, which will double every time you repeat the dishonesty.

If you wish to disagree, do so in your own words, under your own name.

Total agree with you on this mozza. However, Id love to see you use your mod function to do something beyond protecting your own name. There have been repeated requests of mods to do something about spamming and the response has been...

zero.

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #263 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 9:31am

mozzaok wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:28pm:

Better Crowther, and think yourrself lucky it is not Nazi Germany, or you would be the first to go. Grin

The point is honesty, express your opinions as strongly as you like, but do so openly and honestly, and you will have no problems here.

so NOT true. you gave me a 24hr ban and have yet to explain why - all in a thread asking mods to do something about abusive posters and spammers.

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #264 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 9:35am

astro_surf wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:39pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 4:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 4:30pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 2:43pm:

I'm a little confused longie, what's your actual position? You say you're not a denier, and yet you're against both lib and lab policies? So, what's your thought for action if you agree to believe that climate change may in fact be human caused?

My position is (and thanks for asking since you are the first to post actuall yonthe topic) is that I believe humans affect climate but NOT catastrophically. I do not beleive that we affect - or have the capacity to affect - climate in any significant manner. the earths biosphere is a self-repairing one and one that responds well to challenges made to it. I do not believe that we are altering climate outside its normal range. Thais does not mean I dont think we should be cleaner and less pollutting. but CO2 is NOT a pollutant whereas black carbon is and is 1000 times as dangerous to glaciers than CO2.

With the earth cycles and solar forcing being the biggest challenges to the earth climate wise, the earth would have to be self repairing. I highly doubt that the earth is constantly teatering on the edge when there is so much diversity to what can cool and warm it. With AGW being 0.117% of all greenhouse effect and the fearmongers saying this somehow forces the earth to warm uncontrollably is saying the earth is not only teatering over the edge but teatering far worse than we could imagine .

What on earth do you mean by "repair"? You say that like there is some climatic equilibrium. there's not. The climate system responds to forcings, period, evolution can adapt to that and life goes on but the bioshpere doesn't "repair". That is one of the stupidest notions I've heard you come up with.

Yes, life goes on, but not necessarily in any sort of environment in any way suitable for human civilisation to thrive or survive.

And if CO2 DOESN'T heat the planet, then why aren't we a frozen ball of ice? There is no way whatsoever that solar forcing is anything close to being enough to keep the planet the temperature that it is.

Seriously, go learn some BASIC freaking geology before opening your mouth

http://www.ucar.edu/learn/1_3_1.htm

the planet DOES repair itself. go get yourself an education. there are a lot of mechanisms in our biosphere that respond to changes in the environment to bring it back to equilibrium. and geology isnt one of them. ever heard of the interation between hydrogen radicals and petrochemical smog - all created by teh interation of cosmic rays with water vapor underneath the hole in the ozone layer?

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #265 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 9:37am

Luke Fowler wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:48pm:

Jason Crowther wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:42pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:38pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:34pm:

Actually Luke, he is just new, and probably did not realise I was a mod, and would have the ability to delete his post, which provided his "parody" of my post, as a direct quote from mozzaok.
I think the fact that his post was deleted seemed draconian to him, hence the nazi slur, but I think we can cut him some slack, and let him find his feet here, before we get too upset about things.
He may surprise us, and only be a nitwit about denialism, because the sad fact is the denialist PR machine has conned quite a few good folk, who have pretty sound thinking on other issues, we will have to see what unfolds.

I think you will be disappointed. I've read a few of the other comments he has made.

Quick, you better ban me because I don't conform to your way of thinking.

Isn't that the way your kind deals with dissenting views?

Hilarious.

No, I would rather just point out how much of a simpleton you are, hence the previous post.

Try to keep up.

and here is the arts graduate trying to argue with a science graduate.

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #266 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 9:41am

Luke Fowler wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 9:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 6:02pm:

astro_surf wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:55pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:39pm:

You cant debate. you only throw mud at anyone who has 1% variance with your opinion. if u even studied science and learned from places other then the internet you might recognise the stupidiity of adopting a position that does not allow dissent of any kind. thats not science. it is religion - nothing more.

You can dissent... In a peer reviewed journal. Anything else is opinionated gibberish that has no bearing whatsoever on the scientific "debate" and can be dismisse dout of hand.

so we can dismiss garnaut, gore and flannery because they dont publich in such journals?

Um. I think you will find that Profs Garnaut and Flannery would regularly have published. It would be very odd for professor not to be published regularly in academic journals.

And Al Gore is not, to my knowledge, a scientist or a professor.

i dont think you will find an economics professor publishing in a physics journal. I thought that would be pretty obvious.

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Reply #267 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 2:12pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 9:31am:

mozzaok wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:28pm:

Better Crowther, and think yourrself lucky it is not Nazi Germany, or you would be the first to go. Grin

The point is honesty, express your opinions as strongly as you like, but do so openly and honestly, and you will have no problems here.

so NOT true. you gave me a 24hr ban and have yet to explain why - all in a thread asking mods to do something about abusive posters and spammers.

Is this just another of longweekends lies, or just another example of his amazing ability to get his facts totally wrong, while proclaiming himself the most qualified "expert" to pontificate on all issues?

Here is THE fact regarding this false claim, I have NEVER imposed any ban on you longy.
There are other global mods, and board mods, so to assume that because I so often disagree with you, that I was the one who banned you shows yet again how poorly you use your self proclaimed "superior" deductive reasoning.

So tell us, was this just a case of an "honest" mistake on your part, or a straight out lie to try and create the false impression that I would ban people because they hold differing views?

I respond to members I disagree with by posting replies on the boards, like any other member, and the very few people who have ever received bans from me know very well that it has been because of either blatantly breaking an important rule, or engaging in highly offensive behaviour.

So, as you can now see, the fact that you lie so frequently and shamelessly does not mean that I will impose any ban on you, because you do so openly, and in your own name.
The threat of a ban for Crowther was because he used the quote function to copy my post, which was highlighted, with my name attached to it, and then he changed the text, to deceitfully try and make it look like I wrote things I never would, and as I have stated before, when others have used similar tricks, like copying other peoples online ID's, and then posting garbage to trick people that it is the copied member saying stuff they never would, I will not condone such deceitfulness.

So it is not very difficult to have all the freedom you need to post your views here, no matter how strongly I, or any other person may disagree with you, so long as you do so without being grossly offensive, or using excessive foul language, and you do so under your own ID, without blatantly misrepresenting the words of other members, who have the right to protection from such openly deceitful actions.

Pretty easy really, and all the other members here who like yourself, have never received any bans from me, even though I disagree on so many issues, manage to to express their views, and have them heard, with no problems, so maybe try a little harder to get your facts straight, and worry less about your paranoid conspiracy theories.

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Reply #268 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 2:17pm

mozzaok wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 2:12pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 9:31am:

mozzaok wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:28pm:

Better Crowther, and think yourrself lucky it is not Nazi Germany, or you would be the first to go. Grin

The point is honesty, express your opinions as strongly as you like, but do so openly and honestly, and you will have no problems here.

so NOT true. you gave me a 24hr ban and have yet to explain why - all in a thread asking mods to do something about abusive posters and spammers.

Is this just another of longweekends lies, or just another example of his amazing ability to get his facts totally wrong, while proclaiming himself the most qualified "expert" to pontificate on all issues?

Here is THE fact regarding this false claim, I have NEVER imposed any ban on you longy.There are other global mods, and board mods, so to assume that because I so often disagree with you, that I was the one who banned you shows yet again how poorly you use your self proclaimed "superior" deductive reasoning.

So tell us, was this just a case of an "honest" mistake on your part, or a straight out lie to try and create the false impression that I would ban people because they hold differing views?

I respond to members I disagree with by posting replies on the boards, like any other member, and the very few people who have ever received bans from me know very well that it has been because of either blatantly breaking an important rule, or engaging in highly offensive behaviour.

So, as you can now see, the fact that you lie so frequently and shamelessly does not mean that I will impose any ban on you, because you do so openly, and in your own name.
The threat of a ban for Crowther was because he used the quote function to copy my post, which was highlighted, with my name attached to it, and then he changed the text, to deceitfully try and make it look like I wrote things I never would, and as I have stated before, when others have used similar tricks, like copying other peoples online ID's, and then posting garbage to trick people that it is the copied member saying stuff they never would, I will not condone such deceitfulness.

So it is not very difficult to have all the freedom you need to post your views here, no matter how strongly I, or any other person may disagree with you, so long as you do so without being grossly offensive, or using excessive foul language, and you do so under your own ID, without blatantly misrepresenting the words of other members, who have the right to protection from such openly deceitful actions.

Pretty easy really, and all the other members here who like yourself, have never received any bans from me, even though I disagree on so many issues, manage to to express their views, and have them heard, with no problems, so maybe try a little harder to get your facts straight, and worry less about your paranoid conspiracy theories.

well it wasnt FD so I assumed it was you since I know of no other mod. And since the mods other than you never seem to appear and I received no notification then or since it was an easy assumption. If it wasnt you then I apologise.

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Reply #269 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 2:25pm

mozzaok wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 2:12pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 9:31am:

mozzaok wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:28pm:

Better Crowther, and think yourrself lucky it is not Nazi Germany, or you would be the first to go. Grin

The point is honesty, express your opinions as strongly as you like, but do so openly and honestly, and you will have no problems here.

so NOT true. you gave me a 24hr ban and have yet to explain why - all in a thread asking mods to do something about abusive posters and spammers.

Is this just another of longweekends lies, or just another example of his amazing ability to get his facts totally wrong, while proclaiming himself the most qualified "expert" to pontificate on all issues?

Here is THE fact regarding this false claim, I have NEVER imposed any ban on you longy.
There are other global mods, and board mods, so to assume that because I so often disagree with you, that I was the one who banned you shows yet again how poorly you use your self proclaimed "superior" deductive reasoning.

So tell us, was this just a case of an "honest" mistake on your part, or a straight out lie to try and create the false impression that I would ban people because they hold differing views?

I respond to members I disagree with by posting replies on the boards, like any other member, and the very few people who have ever received bans from me know very well that it has been because of either blatantly breaking an important rule, or engaging in highly offensive behaviour.

So, as you can now see, the fact that you lie so frequently and shamelessly does not mean that I will impose any ban on you, because you do so openly, and in your own name.
The threat of a ban for Crowther was because he used the quote function to copy my post, which was highlighted, with my name attached to it, and then he changed the text, to deceitfully try and make it look like I wrote things I never would, and as I have stated before, when others have used similar tricks, like copying other peoples online ID's, and then posting garbage to trick people that it is the copied member saying stuff they never would, I will not condone such deceitfulness.

So it is not very difficult to have all the freedom you need to post your views here, no matter how strongly I, or any other person may disagree with you, so long as you do so without being grossly offensive, or using excessive foul language, and you do so under your own ID, without blatantly misrepresenting the words of other members, who have the right to protection from such openly deceitful actions.

Pretty easy really, and all the other members here who like yourself, have never received any bans from me, even though I disagree on so many issues, manage to to express their views, and have them heard, with no problems, so maybe try a little harder to get your facts straight, and worry less about your paranoid conspiracy theories.

There have been some pretty general complaints about the standard of moderation of late by quite a number of posters - generally the non-existance of moderation. So since you are a moderator kindly inform us of what the rules are. I agree thjat misquoting someone is bad, but so is spamming by maqqa and imcrookofit and vitrtually everything deathridesahorse writes. but form the mods the response has been as resounding SILENCE. I got banned for even asking the mods to do something by some moderator unknown and apparently unseen and unheardof.

this is a good place and could be a great place but it is under threat of late and needs some actual real moderation. I cant recall seeing much in the way of moderation that isnt anythign more than protecting the moderator. Feel free to prove me wrong. in fact PLEASE prove me wrong.

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