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Reply #300 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 6:00pm

mozzaok wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 5:30pm:

No, it is just an indication that China does accept the serious issue of Climate Change, and is not just demanding they be allowed to continue on with the denialist style, Business As Usual, approach.
They are a developing economy, and as such acknowledge that their emissions will continue to grow, but they can take the Denialist route, the "Do Nothing" route, that so many here seem to desire that Australia does, or they can go the minimum growth route, attempting to limit their growing emissions rather than just letting them run rampant, and damn the consequences.
The attempts to dumb this issue down to one starting point, one strategy, for every nation, and economy in the world, irrespective of their current standards, or their projected growth, is fine for people who do not really want to see this problem tackled in a fair and realistic fashion, but for the rest of us, knowing that China is setting targets, and is investing in clean technologies, certainly does nothing to validate the position of the Carbon Tax naysayers who proclaim we do nothing because nobody else is.

this is what i dont get from people like you. you demand we take draconian steps but happily - yes HAPPILY - say india and china can increase their emissions massively and more than wipe out any savings the rest of us make.

if yu truly, truly believe that CO2 is an enemy then surely you should be demanding a net reduction - not some pseudo-solution that actually INCREASES emmissions. if you accept that TODAYS level of CO2 is unacceptable how can you so blithely accept a process that guarantees it will be much much higher? This is why we mock your carbon taxes etc. even if it DID work in australia - and there is no evidence to suggest it will - these two countries wil wipe that out and much much more. and you are happy about it???

I can see why you are a lefty. lefties and real-world solutions ahve never really gone out together.

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Cliff Richard Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 558	Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism Reply #301 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 6:01pm ya hear that folks da spine man knows what everybody in climate science thinks he's got his finger on the pulse
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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #302 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 6:21pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 5:25pm:

Mozza - You do realize that whilst the world is reducing its emissions over the last 5 years.

China and India have openly grown theirs and make no apologies for it.

Have a look at that graph and then tell me again what a terrific job they are doing.

How is LA Andrei, getting warmer?

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #303 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 6:23pm

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 6:21pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 5:25pm:

Mozza - You do realize that whilst the world is reducing its emissions over the last 5 years.

China and India have openly grown theirs and make no apologies for it.

Have a look at that graph and then tell me again what a terrific job they are doing.

How is LA Andrei, getting warmer?

I live a good 45 mins flight south of Los Angeles PN but no the summer has been really mild actually.

73 degrees tomorrow.

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #304 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 7:27pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 6:23pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 6:21pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 5:25pm:

Mozza - You do realize that whilst the world is reducing its emissions over the last 5 years.

China and India have openly grown theirs and make no apologies for it.

Have a look at that graph and then tell me again what a terrific job they are doing.

How is LA Andrei, getting warmer?

I live a good 45 mins flight south of Los Angeles PN but no the summer has been really mild actually.

73 degrees tomorrow.

Your must live nearly in Mexico then, because its only about a hour by plane to Las Vegas.

Somewhere near San Diego?

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #305 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 7:45pm

mozzaok wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 5:30pm:

No, it is just an indication that China does accept the serious issue of Climate Change, and is not just demanding they be allowed to continue on with the denialist style, Business As Usual, approach.
They are a developing economy, and as such acknowledge that their emissions will continue to grow, but they can take the Denialist route, the "Do Nothing" route, that so many here seem to desire that Australia does, or they can go the minimum growth route, attempting to limit their growing emissions rather than just letting them run rampant, and damn the consequences.
The attempts to dumb this issue down to one starting point, one strategy, for every nation, and economy in the world, irrespective of their current standards, or their projected growth, is fine for people who do not really want to see this problem tackled in a fair and realistic fashion, but for the rest of us, knowing that China is setting targets, and is investing in clean technologies, certainly does nothing to validate the position of the Carbon Tax naysayers who proclaim we do nothing because nobody else is.

You would have to actually believe we are doomed to start from a proper starting point for all countries. As you know, but will not tell, and we know because we are not mushrooms. So here we are. Nothing to worry about in terms of doom.

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #306 - Jun 8^th, 2011 at 9:48am

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 7:27pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 6:23pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 6:21pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 5:25pm:

Mozza - You do realize that whilst the world is reducing its emissions over the last 5 years.

China and India have openly grown theirs and make no apologies for it.

Have a look at that graph and then tell me again what a terrific job they are doing.

How is LA Andrei, getting warmer?

I live a good 45 mins flight south of Los Angeles PN but no the summer has been really mild actually.

73 degrees tomorrow.

Your must live nearly in Mexico then, because its only about a hour by plane to Las Vegas.

Somewhere near San Diego?

A man who knows his flight times.

Yes, I live in La Jolla at the moment and work in downtown San Diego.

'Tis a fantastic part of the world.

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #307 - Jun 9^th, 2011 at 9:38am

There is a fascinating human behaviour in some that simply HAVE TO BELIEVE in a potential disaster scenario. be it nuclear war, Y2K or ACC, they just jump from one end-of-the-world scenario to the next. This perhaps why there is so much scepticism on ACC. We have heard it all before and after a while you stop listening to the doom-and-gloom predictions which never materialise.

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Reply #308 - Jun 9^th, 2011 at 9:53am

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 9:38am:

There is a fascinating human behaviour in some that simply HAVE TO BELIEVE in a potential disaster scenario. be it nuclear war, Y2K or ACC, they just jump from one end-of-the-world scenario to the next. This perhaps why there is so much scepticism on ACC. We have heard it all before and after a while you stop listening to the doom-and-gloom predictions which never materialise.

Shouldnt they have that word they like to throw at people to shut them up. You know, the 'conspiracy theorist'

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #309 - Jun 9^th, 2011 at 8:05pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 9:38am:

There is a fascinating human behaviour in some that simply HAVE TO BELIEVE in a potential disaster scenario. be it nuclear war, Y2K or ACC, they just jump from one end-of-the-world scenario to the next. This perhaps why there is so much scepticism on ACC. We have heard it all before and after a while you stop listening to the doom-and-gloom predictions which never materialise.

Because nothing really bad has happened, we shouldn't try to stop bad things from happening: denier logic, 101! Cheesy

Cancer hasn't killed me so why stop smoking?! Cheesy

I've never had diabetes, why try to limit my sugar intake? Cheesy

I've never had a car accident, why shouldn't I drink and drive? Cheesy

Terrorists have never attacked Australia, why bother with security measures? Cheesy

My house has never burned down, why pay for house insurance? Cheesy

I could go on all night... But I think we all get the picture, LW has the same capacity for logic as an eight year old.

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&

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astro_surf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2981	Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism Reply #310 - Jun 9^th, 2011 at 8:09pm progressiveslol wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 9:53am: You know, the 'conspiracy theorist' You think that thousands upon thousands of scientists are fabricating evidence and concocting an elaborate plan to foist a carbon tax on the world. What the hell else are we supposed to call you?
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Reply #311 - Jun 9^th, 2011 at 8:12pm

astro_surf wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 8:09pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 9:53am:

You know, the 'conspiracy theorist'

You think that thousands upon thousands of scientists are fabricating evidence and concocting an elaborate plan to foist a carbon tax on the world. What the hell else are we supposed to call you?

They also gave a Nobel Prize to a Climate Change report which was later proven to be false

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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #312 - Jun 9^th, 2011 at 8:15pm

Maqqa wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 8:12pm:

astro_surf wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 8:09pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 9:53am:

You know, the 'conspiracy theorist'

You think that thousands upon thousands of scientists are fabricating evidence and concocting an elaborate plan to foist a carbon tax on the world. What the hell else are we supposed to call you?

They also gave a Nobel Prize to a Climate Change report which was later proven to be false

The sad thing is that you actually believe that I'm still waiting for anyone to provide specific examples of any errors in the IPCC report other than two minor errors regarding sea level rise in the Netherlands and the Himalayan glacier error.

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&

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Reply #313 - Jun 9^th, 2011 at 8:20pm

astro_surf wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 8:15pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 8:12pm:

astro_surf wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 8:09pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 9:53am:

You know, the 'conspiracy theorist'

You think that thousands upon thousands of scientists are fabricating evidence and concocting an elaborate plan to foist a carbon tax on the world. What the hell else are we supposed to call you?

They also gave a Nobel Prize to a Climate Change report which was later proven to be false

The sad thing is that you actually believe that I'm still waiting for anyone to provide specific examples of any errors in the IPCC report other than two minor errors regarding sea level rise in the Netherlands and the Himalayan glacier error.

That was a minute error wasn't it?

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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #314 - Jun 9^th, 2011 at 8:48pm

astro_surf wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 8:15pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 8:12pm:

astro_surf wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 8:09pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 9:53am:

You know, the 'conspiracy theorist'

You think that thousands upon thousands of scientists are fabricating evidence and concocting an elaborate plan to foist a carbon tax on the world. What the hell else are we supposed to call you?

They also gave a Nobel Prize to a Climate Change report which was later proven to be false

The sad thing is that you actually believe that I'm still waiting for anyone to provide specific examples of any errors in the IPCC report other than two minor errors regarding sea level rise in the Netherlands and the Himalayan glacier error.

lol die hards hey. What can you do lol minor. You funny guy (accented sounds better).

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