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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5453 Gender:	Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism Reply #30 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:09pm The problem with the climate change alarmists is that they are ensuring that our eye is taken off the ball with regard to real environmental issues. Overpopulation, deforestation, loss of habitat etc. All things we can do something about.
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Reply #31 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:11pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:03pm:

All major political parties in Australia agree action is required on Climate Change and have agreed to the same targets......It is the mechanism required to bring about a change to renewable energy that is in dispute......The debate needs to be about which policy will deliver the best outcome for Australia and the planet.....Denying there is a problem puts you into the extreme fringe and gives you no political support for your argument.....There is no policy in Australia to do nothing about climate change...those of you who are in denial about climate change are arguing against every political party in the country....Even Tony Abbott will not support your pathetic argument....You are what is commonly known as losers!!!

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Thank you for your non-thinking, ideologically-driven post that totally missed the point. IN case you didnt get it - and clearly you didnt - this thread is not about a carbon tax but about the DEBATE ITSELF and the polarisation of it. Im so pleased to add you to the list of everyone else so far who doesnt get it. IN fact, all you have done is prove my point that rational debate on the topic of CLimate Change is not possible. Too many emotions couple with too few brains.

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Reply #32 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:19pm

Belgarion wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:09pm:

The problem with the climate change alarmists is that they are ensuring that our eye is taken off the ball with regard to real environmental issues. Overpopulation, deforestation, loss of habitat etc. All things we can do something about.

Not so, see -
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1276775027/all

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Reply #33 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:22pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:03pm:

All major political parties in Australia agree action is required on Climate Change and have agreed to the same targets......It is the mechanism required to bring about a change to renewable energy that is in dispute......The debate needs to be about which policy will deliver the best outcome for Australia and the planet.....Denying there is a problem puts you into the extreme fringe and gives you no political support for your argument.....There is no policy in Australia to do nothing about climate change...those of you who are in denial about climate change are arguing against every political party in the country....Even Tony Abbott will not support your pathetic argument....You are what is commonly known as losers!!!

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Thank you for your non-thinking, ideologically-driven post that totally missed the point. IN case you didnt get it - and clearly you didnt - this thread is not about a carbon tax but about the DEBATE ITSELF and the polarisation of it. Im so pleased to add you to the list of everyone else so far who doesnt get it. IN fact, all you have done is prove my point that rational debate on the topic of CLimate Change is not possible. Too many emotions couple with too few brains.

Rubbish.....the point I am making is those who deny climate change is a real and urgent problem have no political support....People like you think because you can put people down you will win the debate......I stand by my statements and nothing you have written refutes my argument!!!

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Reply #34 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:26pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:03pm:

All major political parties in Australia agree action is required on Climate Change and have agreed to the same targets......It is the mechanism required to bring about a change to renewable energy that is in dispute......The debate needs to be about which policy will deliver the best outcome for Australia and the planet.....Denying there is a problem puts you into the extreme fringe and gives you no political support for your argument.....There is no policy in Australia to do nothing about climate change...those of you who are in denial about climate change are arguing against every political party in the country....Even Tony Abbott will not support your pathetic argument....You are what is commonly known as losers!!!

Wink

Thank you for your non-thinking, ideologically-driven post that totally missed the point. IN case you didnt get it - and clearly you didnt - this thread is not about a carbon tax but about the DEBATE ITSELF and the polarisation of it. Im so pleased to add you to the list of everyone else so far who doesnt get it. IN fact, all you have done is prove my point that rational debate on the topic of CLimate Change is not possible. Too many emotions couple with too few brains.

Rubbish.....the point I am making is those who deny climate change is a real and urgent problem have no political support....People like you think because you can put people down you will win the debate......I stand by my statements and nothing you have written refutes my argument!!!

the highlighted statement is meaningless! only a handful of real idiots deny there is climate change since history has always shown it to occur. The problem is you equate that statement with a policy position. and that is NOT the same thing. at no stage whatsoever have you ever said that that the effect of humans on climate is debatable - and it is. Thos that think humans are totally responsible for climate change are fools. those that think we have zero effect are also fools. IM choosing a position in between - a position few occupy because it much easier to adopt an extreme point of view from ne of the two camps.

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Reply #35 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:26pm

Those who deny climate change is a real problem should condemn Tony Abbott and the Coalition who have a policy that has been roundly condemned by every economist in the country.....If the Governments policy is wrong then the Coalitions policy is not a solution......trying to debate the reality of climate change is just plain stupid.....No political party supports this proposition.....the right wing nut jobs are on there own with this denialist crap.....losers!!!

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Reply #36 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:26pm

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:19pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:09pm:

The problem with the climate change alarmists is that they are ensuring that our eye is taken off the ball with regard to real environmental issues. Overpopulation, deforestation, loss of habitat etc. All things we can do something about.

Not so, see -
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1276775027/all

quoting yourself is a little embarrasing, is it not?

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Reply #37 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:29pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:26pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:19pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:09pm:

The problem with the climate change alarmists is that they are ensuring that our eye is taken off the ball with regard to real environmental issues. Overpopulation, deforestation, loss of habitat etc. All things we can do something about.

Not so, see -
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1276775027/all

quoting yourself is a little embarrasing, is it not?

Why?

Belgarion said, those who talk about Climate Change don't talk about Population, I simply pointed out that I do!

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Reply #38 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:30pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:26pm:

Those who deny climate change is a real problem should condemn Tony Abbott and the Coalition who have a policy that has been roundly condemned by every economist in the country.....If the Governments policy is wrong then the Coalitions policy is not a solution......trying to debate the reality of climate change is just plain stupid.....No political party supports this proposition.....the right wing nut jobs are on there own with this denialist crap.....losers!!!

because climate solutions are the province of economists... can you hear yourself??? ECONOMISTS???? for goodness sake! after the GFC they have the credibility of a 3rd rate lawyer and yet you quote them on the most complex bit of science today??? I presume you ask your chiropractor for advice on your car repairs?

and using 'denialist crap' merely parks you with the extremists and compares the value of your opinions to that of people reading from a Latin prayer book that they dont understand and desperately hoping they are doing something right.

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Reply #39 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:31pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:26pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:03pm:

All major political parties in Australia agree action is required on Climate Change and have agreed to the same targets......It is the mechanism required to bring about a change to renewable energy that is in dispute......The debate needs to be about which policy will deliver the best outcome for Australia and the planet.....Denying there is a problem puts you into the extreme fringe and gives you no political support for your argument.....There is no policy in Australia to do nothing about climate change...those of you who are in denial about climate change are arguing against every political party in the country....Even Tony Abbott will not support your pathetic argument....You are what is commonly known as losers!!!

Wink

Thank you for your non-thinking, ideologically-driven post that totally missed the point. IN case you didnt get it - and clearly you didnt - this thread is not about a carbon tax but about the DEBATE ITSELF and the polarisation of it. Im so pleased to add you to the list of everyone else so far who doesnt get it. IN fact, all you have done is prove my point that rational debate on the topic of CLimate Change is not possible. Too many emotions couple with too few brains.

Rubbish.....the point I am making is those who deny climate change is a real and urgent problem have no political support....People like you think because you can put people down you will win the debate......I stand by my statements and nothing you have written refutes my argument!!!

the highlighted statement is meaningless! only a handful of real idiots deny there is climate change since history has always shown it to occur. The problem is you equate that statement with a policy position. and that is NOT the same thing. at no stage whatsoever have you ever said that that the effect of humans on climate is debatable - and it is. Thos that think humans are totally responsible for climate change are fools. those that think we have zero effect are also fools. IM choosing a position in between - a position few occupy because it much easier to adopt an extreme point of view from ne of the two camps.

The people that actually matter and form policy in this country do not agree with you.....that puts you at odds with those who have stated they accept climate change is real and requires urgent action.....Who supports your argument Longy.....who is listing to your crap mate.....no one important that is for sure??

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Reply #40 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:33pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:30pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:26pm:

Those who deny climate change is a real problem should condemn Tony Abbott and the Coalition who have a policy that has been roundly condemned by every economist in the country.....If the Governments policy is wrong then the Coalitions policy is not a solution......trying to debate the reality of climate change is just plain stupid.....No political party supports this proposition.....the right wing nut jobs are on there own with this denialist crap.....losers!!!

because climate solutions are the province of economists... can you hear yourself??? ECONOMISTS???? for goodness sake! after the GFC they have the credibility of a 3rd rate lawyer and yet you quote them on the most complex bit of science today??? I presume you ask your chiropractor for advice on your car repairs?

and using 'denialist crap' merely parks you with the extremists and compares the value of your opinions to that of people reading from a Latin prayer book that they dont understand and desperately hoping they are doing something right.

Who in politics supports your pathetic position Longy???

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Reply #42 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:36pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:30pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:26pm:

Those who deny climate change is a real problem should condemn Tony Abbott and the Coalition who have a policy that has been roundly condemned by every economist in the country.....If the Governments policy is wrong then the Coalitions policy is not a solution......trying to debate the reality of climate change is just plain stupid.....No political party supports this proposition.....the right wing nut jobs are on there own with this denialist crap.....losers!!!

because climate solutions are the province of economists... can you hear yourself??? ECONOMISTS???? for goodness sake! after the GFC they have the credibility of a 3rd rate lawyer and yet you quote them on the most complex bit of science today??? I presume you ask your chiropractor for advice on your car repairs?

and using 'denialist crap' merely parks you with the extremists and compares the value of your opinions to that of people reading from a Latin prayer book that they dont understand and desperately hoping they are doing something right.

If I was proposing a policy that worked on market forces I would get advice from an economist.....the science is already settled....You have no idea do you Longy???

Next loser!!!

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #43 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:36pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:30pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:26pm:

Those who deny climate change is a real problem should condemn Tony Abbott and the Coalition who have a policy that has been roundly condemned by every economist in the country.....If the Governments policy is wrong then the Coalitions policy is not a solution......trying to debate the reality of climate change is just plain stupid.....No political party supports this proposition.....the right wing nut jobs are on there own with this denialist crap.....losers!!!

because climate solutions are the province of economists... can you hear yourself??? ECONOMISTS???? for goodness sake! after the GFC they have the credibility of a 3rd rate lawyer and yet you quote them on the most complex bit of science today??? I presume you ask your chiropractor for advice on your car repairs?

and using 'denialist crap' merely parks you with the extremists and compares the value of your opinions to that of people reading from a Latin prayer book that they dont understand and desperately hoping they are doing something right.

Who in politics supports your pathetic position Longy???

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now let me see... we take for granted that our own opinions and positions MUST be validated by support of a political party, right? So that unless you agree with these puffed-up elected dimwits your position is wrong?

Here is a clue. Politics is rarely about doing BEST. it is about doing what you CAN. compromise in action is not he same as compromise on principles.

But if you want to get all your peronal positions from the ALP/Greens website go ahead. I choose to THINK. Clearly, I am in a very small minority.

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Reply #44 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:40pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:26pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:03pm:

All major political parties in Australia agree action is required on Climate Change and have agreed to the same targets......It is the mechanism required to bring about a change to renewable energy that is in dispute......The debate needs to be about which policy will deliver the best outcome for Australia and the planet.....Denying there is a problem puts you into the extreme fringe and gives you no political support for your argument.....There is no policy in Australia to do nothing about climate change...those of you who are in denial about climate change are arguing against every political party in the country....Even Tony Abbott will not support your pathetic argument....You are what is commonly known as losers!!!

Wink

Thank you for your non-thinking, ideologically-driven post that totally missed the point. IN case you didnt get it - and clearly you didnt - this thread is not about a carbon tax but about the DEBATE ITSELF and the polarisation of it. Im so pleased to add you to the list of everyone else so far who doesnt get it. IN fact, all you have done is prove my point that rational debate on the topic of CLimate Change is not possible. Too many emotions couple with too few brains.

Rubbish.....the point I am making is those who deny climate change is a real and urgent problem have no political support....People like you think because you can put people down you will win the debate......I stand by my statements and nothing you have written refutes my argument!!!

the highlighted statement is meaningless! only a handful of real idiots deny there is climate change since history has always shown it to occur. The problem is you equate that statement with a policy position. and that is NOT the same thing. at no stage whatsoever have you ever said that that the effect of humans on climate is debatable - and it is. Thos that think humans are totally responsible for climate change are fools. those that think we have zero effect are also fools. IM choosing a position in between - a position few occupy because it much easier to adopt an extreme point of view from ne of the two camps.

The people that actually matter and form policy in this country do not agree with you.....that puts you at odds with those who have stated they accept climate change is real and requires urgent action.....Who supports your argument Longy.....who is listing to your crap mate.....no one important that is for sure??

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No one listened to Copernicus or Gallileo either. They were right. IN fact through out history, 'concensus' has been wrong time and time again.

IM mystified why you are so virilently denying someones right to hold a minority opnion. If you were a stalinist like nemesis Id understand. But you arent so what exactly is stopping you from holding an opinion of your own that might be *shock horror* at odds slightly with the Gospel of Gore? You have attacked me not for my position but for the audacity to even hold one not from the approved-by-the-UN list. I am disappointed but alas, hardly surprised. I rarely hear a thinking extremist from either side. Monkton is an idiot. Gore is an idiot. choosing to follow either group makes you an idiot as well.

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